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[Odyssey Feedback Request] Team Super Friends - Probe Scanning and You

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Anita1
Meinungsfreiheit
#1281 - 2013-05-21 23:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Anita1
god damn, really i didnt want to use 7 probes and you guys **** it up now even more so that we have to use 8
pls ccp stop it and make us use the amount of probes we want, i want 1 and 5 dont need anything else, if you dont have an idea about how to do that, how about if you click on your formation button link whatever you want, but give me the chance to activate the launcher and get only 1 probe at a time, some ppl complained about 8 probes and most of use dont need it, its useless, the only thing it shows you is, how different ppl are probing, let us keep doing that
really bad that you start to tell us now how we have to do something
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1282 - 2013-05-22 01:25:16 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So there has been no official word on T3 getting banned form 3/10 & 4/10, does this mean CCP plans to change this regardless of what people have to say about it?


If you need a Tengu to do a DED 3 or 4 site, you may want to purchase an " i win" button because that´s what you are using, no effort or thought required, leave them to cruiser and battle cruiser pilots with crap skills, that´s who they were designed for and with the new probe mechanic any month old will be able to find and run them.


No, I like T3s so I can do, complexes (3/10 - 6/10) Data Sites, Relic sites, and WH. Now you are looking at 5/10 & 6/10 meaning finding a combat site that you can do is even rarer than it is now.


T2 variants work equally well, but you have to think sometimes on how to work the site, but you can fit every thing you need on them, but again that takes thought and game play.

That is very true, and brings up another question: If T2 ships can do this just as well as a T3 then why are T3s being barred?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#1283 - 2013-05-22 06:19:31 UTC
No, it brings the question- why T2 ships are allowed.

Everybody agrees that banning T3s from hisec DEDs a good thing, it just doesn't do enough to solve the farming issue, and other nerfs are needed.

.
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1284 - 2013-05-22 06:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
i put a lot of sp in t3 only for hi sec and low exploration, and logistics for it, only for this specific task, because i like play this way, if changes do something that any of my sp will be unused, or be less effective for this task, you create different content, i make payment for different sp schemat for different content, and maybe i not like this again after this changes, this is like stealing, you make exploration less efficient, if you like to do this, ok, but i not make payment for this, "we don't care you pay for something else" "pay once more and wait another long time to skill different sp", now you pay for something and after changes you get a lot of things that you never pay for, because with compared with other thing it is boring, if someone is masochist and like to do ded 4/10 in destroyer becouse he like low isk risk, ok is sandbox this is his choice, but i'm not, and i like something else and i make payment for something else. i will request for remap all my sp between all my accounts, for character names resculp, characters resculps, corporations and corporation history resculp, standings reamap, and reimbursement for all my inconvenients. and i probably do this that way or another becouse new content look terrible for me, and i not put my payment and time for this new something. and i go with this not to ccp because this sound useless, maybe i should try International Consumer Protection and Enforcement Network?
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1285 - 2013-05-22 06:58:45 UTC
Tzu Wu wrote:


So we are all supposed to be math geniuses like yourself? At the end of the day its a video game,not a job.I see so many people out here that are quick to say "You arent a pro if you dont use 4 probes".Well,if I want to use 7 thats my business.It's worked for me and honestly,why in the world do others care about how others play?


Simple spacial awareness and deduction is all i´m talking about, its not a job, its GAME, you know what a game is as you seem to be referring to Master Bates hobby of self abuse.

So why do you think its a good idea to FORCE your play style of 7 probes onto those who use fewer, do you care about how we play?.

So being so self absorbed like CCP, its the only reason they came up with this abortion of an upgrade/dumbing down/wowification of exploration

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1286 - 2013-05-22 07:00:03 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

That is very true, and brings up another question: If T2 ships can do this just as well as a T3 then why are T3s being barred?


Are you implying that there is no difference between a T2 ship and a T3 ship?

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Shpongleye
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1287 - 2013-05-22 07:00:20 UTC
@CCP

I live in C5-C5, I scan a lot.
I logged on sisi and tried out the new scanning mechanics and I think the scanning itself is really good, esp the fact that you no longer need to move all the probes but the center one, also the scaling of probe position when you expand and contract the radius.

What I dont like is that you cannot launch 1 probe, you MUST have 8, this needs to get changed as im sure you aware of by now judging by so many previous posts in here.

Are you sure about the skill changes?
Why not remove astrometrics completely i stead of reducing all skill bonuses by 50%.

Tldr; i like the changes. Remove 8 probes req in probe launcher. Skill changes might need to be looked over?

Thank you, and as always I love your game
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1288 - 2013-05-22 07:05:52 UTC
Jack Ogeko wrote:
i put a lot of sp in t3 only for hi sec and low exploration, and logistics for it, only for this specific task, because i like play this way, if changes do something that any of my sp will be unused, or be less effective for this task, you create different content, i make payment for different sp schemat for different content, and maybe i not like this again after this changes, this is like stealing, you make exploration less efficient, if you like to do this, ok, but i not make payment for this, "we don't care you pay for something else" "pay once more and wait another long time to skill different sp", now you pay for something and after changes you get a lot of things that you never pay for, because with compared with other thing it is boring, if someone is masochist and like to do ded 4/10 in destroyer becouse he like low isk risk, ok is sandbox this is his choice, but i'm not, and i like something else and i make payment for something else. i will request for remap all my sp between all my accounts, for character names resculp, characters resculps, corporations and corporation history resculp, standings reamap, and reimbursement for all my inconvenients. and i probably do this that way or another becouse new content look terrible for me, and i not put my payment and time for this new something. and i go with this not to ccp because this sound useless, maybe i should try International Consumer Protection and Enforcement Network?



Silly person..

i´ll get the cheese board...

Its CCP´s game, its a sandbox, they make whatever content they want, you have no rights, they own what ever pixels and database entries you make.

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1289 - 2013-05-22 07:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
ok, but, when i make payment for game, read choose sp to train, contend was different, now i get something else, i wish to get reimbursement, because, product i get is difrent from product i pay for, it is so simple.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1290 - 2013-05-22 07:28:07 UTC
Jack Ogeko wrote:
ok, but, when i make payment for game, read choose sp to train, contend was different, now i get something else, i wish to get reimbursement, because, product i get is difrent with product i pay for, is so simple.


No its not, product the same, product is CCP´s sandbox and they can change how it looks and works as they want, you can like it and pay or not like it and leave.

Stop feeling entitled, if you want a game that doesn´t change go to a shop and buy a box and play with yourself.

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1291 - 2013-05-22 07:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
no it is not, i need to sped more time to get isk i need pay more money to get more game time. only name is the same
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1292 - 2013-05-22 07:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
and there are two types of changes, sandbox changes, made by players in game and i in moust cases i have impact on them, and changes made by game creator, in game mechanics, that make my sp less value for me, if you make that i not need my sp, and not giving choice to redirect my assets, for wich one i pay, is just like someone take from me my money, without asking me abaut this, becouse maybe i dont like it any more, by making from thing that i like and pay for it, thing wich i not like any more, and if i wish to have thing that i like, i must pay one more time, is just stealing and forceing from me my money.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1293 - 2013-05-22 08:46:08 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

That is very true, and brings up another question: If T2 ships can do this just as well as a T3 then why are T3s being barred?


Are you implying that there is no difference between a T2 ship and a T3 ship?



Probably not. But it is highly unlikely that new players fly HACs. Current T3 users will. Therefor nearly nothing will change.

As scanning will become easier, I reckon there will be alot more competition. So I guess the new players that focus on exploration now will be worse off after the update.
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1294 - 2013-05-22 08:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Jack Ogeko wrote:
ok, but, when i make payment for game, read choose sp to train, contend was different, now i get something else, i wish to get reimbursement, because, product i get is difrent with product i pay for, is so simple.


No its not, product the same, product is CCP´s sandbox and they can change how it looks and works as they want, you can like it and pay or not like it and leave.

Stop feeling entitled, if you want a game that doesn´t change go to a shop and buy a box and play with yourself.


this is nice, ccp and all websites tell it is a player-driven, persistent-world mmorg, not game creators-driven game, with that i know ccp only give u accet to game and make fixs.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1295 - 2013-05-22 09:32:57 UTC
Jack Ogeko wrote:
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Jack Ogeko wrote:
ok, but, when i make payment for game, read choose sp to train, contend was different, now i get something else, i wish to get reimbursement, because, product i get is difrent with product i pay for, is so simple.


No its not, product the same, product is CCP´s sandbox and they can change how it looks and works as they want, you can like it and pay or not like it and leave.

Stop feeling entitled, if you want a game that doesn´t change go to a shop and buy a box and play with yourself.


this is nice, ccp and all websites tell it is a player-driven, persistent-world mmorg, not game creators-driven game, with that i know ccp only give u accet to game and make fixs.


Pointless arguing with you, players have been shafted with SP redundancies, prerequisites changes and more.

Also you buy a product that CCP supplies, if they modify the product, which they do twice a year, you adapt, its their world not yours.

Now stop feeling entitlement, if you want to rage, go on, but it will not change anything, it is player driven, you can still explore, you can still do everything you could before, its just how you do it that is modified, sand boxes have edges, its a box, it doesn´t mean they cannot be moved, raised, lowered.

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1296 - 2013-05-22 09:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
is very wierd, why you defend this changes when you can get reimbursement? ye it is pointles, becouse you not have any arguments, and you not have meaning with this becouse you are not from ccp, they make changes, but not that significan for worse for some players in every expansion, so it is obvious, and i wish to get reimbursement becouse, if they wish make changes they do this, but if i not like it and it is unfair for me, and i not be informed before, when i pay for it, i wish get back my asets.
Sylvia Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#1297 - 2013-05-22 10:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylvia Nardieu
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Sylvia Nardieu wrote:
[.. but let's be realistic here for a second - wouldn't most people have one of those diamond shaped patterns saved anyway if we were provided ability to make custom patterns


Realistically, i´ve never used so many probes to get a target, 7 or 8 is overkill and just shows lack of dimensional awareness and basic geometry.


7 or 8 probes are not an overkill as they allow much faster probing of sig-rich areas, however if probing with 4-5 probes makes you feel smarter then everyone else - go ahead, it is a sandbox after all. Also, even with all the shiny implants and faction modules, you MUST have as many probes out as you can handle (8 in my case) to nail down an eccm'd boosting tech 3's as fast as possible so I'd say your experience in probing is somewhat limited.

Quote:
Pre-set patterns are cookie cutter and do not really have a place in a sandbox, it screams hand holding and guidance (which should be confined to the rookie tutorials),.

Single probe launch is a fundamental requirement in exploration, as i have said before, make Extended Launchers firing base be 1 combat Probe or a set of 8 Core Probes,a.k.a the Super Probe and up the Core Probes mass to 1.25 to bring consistency, its logical, PvP probing requires far more flexible approaches than find a PvE site.

There is nothing wrong with one or two pre-set patterns as long as there are other options too, preferably customisable ones.
While presets are, as you say 'cookie cutter solutions', they will only serve to produce that specific cookie. For all other requirements people will still have to learn the fine details (those who choose probing/explo as a part of their career path). Problem is not introduction of pre-sets, problem is taking away of flexibility that existed before and to which you point out yourself.
Space Wanderer
#1298 - 2013-05-22 10:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Space Wanderer
Sylvia Nardieu wrote:

7 or 8 probes are not an overkill as they allow much faster probing of sig-rich areas, however if probing with 4-5 probes makes you feel smarter then everyone else - go ahead, it is a sandbox after all. Also, even with all the shiny implants and faction modules, you MUST have as many probes out as you can handle (8 in my case) to nail down an eccm'd boosting tech 3's as fast as possible so I'd say your experience in probing is somewhat limited.


Let me add that if you go around scanning with a combat ship, and you don't want to load your ship with tons of scan strength equipment, you HAVE to minimize what equipment you have to put on the ship, and 8 probes helps immensely in reducing that amount of equipment.
AtomYcX
Perkone
Caldari State
#1299 - 2013-05-22 12:30:49 UTC
Jack Ogeko wrote:
is very wierd, why you defend this changes when you can get reimbursement? ye it is pointles, becouse you not have any arguments, and you not have meaning with this becouse you are not from ccp, they make changes, but not that significan for worse for some players in every expansion, so it is obvious, and i wish to get reimbursement becouse, if they wish make changes they do this, but if i not like it and it is unfair for me, and i not be informed before, when i pay for it, i wish get back my asets.


No reimburse, only potato. Life not fair, is no happy only sadness.
Jack Ogeko
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1300 - 2013-05-22 14:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Ogeko
i wait for ccp decision, and if it will be negative i try Consumer Protection Organisations