Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So i would like to know, will there actually be any further discussions or modifications to these proposed changes or are they set in stone? It seems from reading through this entire thread that most people are overall NOT happy with this proposal.

I'm going to firmly put myself in the camp of "Lets get the other 3 dreads up to the level of the Moros" and even though i don't fly them and never would, please do something about the Phoenix to make it a viable combat ship.

Yes it is very powerful, though it is expected to be, considering in a cap ship fight, its the highest dps and first in line to go splat. In a pos smash, usually folks just warp in to optimal unless enemy fleet is sitting there. Though not being able to use anti matter without a bunch of mods on a large pos because of shields is kinda ********.

Though the reason it looks to be over powered is because the other dreads are kinda crappy in general. Well the Nag will no longer be, with its huge buff.
The Rev could use a little more damage for sure and well we need not go into the multitudes of issues with the phoenix that CCP continues to ignore.

So we have 3 very working dreads, one that could use a little more damage and the b@stard child 4th.. well....

Given the current trend with changes, basically they have been posting the changes, say give us feedback and just ignore it and go ahead with the changes regardless.

For the life of me, I do wonder why they even ask in the first place.

Though I would like to be hopeful that they will fix the b@stard child and the capital missile systems with this update or just buff the phoenix to compensate for the weapon system.

Why? Why should the shortest-range weapon expect to be able to use the shortest-range ammo against a large tower?

Surely this is a situation where the Rev and Phoenix should be superior to the Moros.

Just because you think it's a bad change doesn't automatically make it a bad change.
The same things were said about the HM nerf but in time most of the community came to recognize that these changes were necessary.

Considering the Rev and Phoenix are not superior in any form. Its rather petty to be at point blank range on a pos and not being able to use your short range ammo.
They could put make it where the antimatter range is right at point blank on a large pos. Technically we should be hitting shield and not tower.

The Rev needs a damage increase and the phoenix needs one as well and to be able to hit with missiles drastically better and not rely upon kinetic to be competitive. Once the pos has a high kinetic resist, the phoenix is shite dps.

Swapping to another missile type drops its dps by over 2000, and it already does almost 3000 less dps than a moros?

I can fly the moros, and yet dont have the isk or play time for much of any eve right now and having to buy another computer to be able to play anyways sucks.

Quite frankly CCP just needs to buff the other dreads to be on par with the moros. Doesnt have to be exact damage, but it shouldnt be thousands of dps less.

The Nag will be pretty close now and it has selectable damage. In fact the Nag is on the way to being the best dread right now after the buff.

Oh. Oh, gosh, I bet they didn't know that some people had spent time training Moros skills, or they never would have done this.

Clearly, your time investment entitles the Moros to be overpowered indefinitely.

A Nerf to one is a buff to all the rest.


Why do you feel that the Moros is the healthy place for Dreads to be, rather than, say, the Revelation or the recently buffed Naglfar (the Phoenix, of course, being a troll ship, not a real one)?




Incidentally, even with the change, the Moros will be significantly out-Damaging the Rev at POS Bashing ranges.

With 3 Damage Mods, a Revelation does 8873 DPS with faction Multi.

With 3 Damage Mods, a Moros does 8020 DPS with Faction Lead. 9022 DPS with Faction Thorium. So long as Thorium Optimal can reach the tower, the Moros will be doing more damage than the Revelation.


Why is Antimatter so special that you must be allowed to use it for full damage on POSes for the Moros to be useful?

Why shouldnt you be able to use your short range ammo at point blank on a target that your ship was built to shoot? surely that must make sense to you, and if doesnt, then you should rethink the your idea on the purpose of a dread.

CCP's issue with the moros was not a damage one, they are happy with the dps of the ship. Their issue was the range it can use antimatter. They didnt want it to have the longer range it did past a certain point.
So they took the lazy route of nerfing the range and in turn didnt take into the account of how it would affect pos shooting, so when they were told that it would be an issue for using antimatter on a pos on top of the TE nerf, they just said who cares, its only a 3% dps nerf and were to lazy to adjust it.

If you look at many of the changes with the upcoming xpac, you will see a ton of lazy or half thought out changes. Battleship threads for example. Many of the changes were just dumb, yet they asked for feedback but then dont post again and just go with their idea regardless of how people proved it was a bad idea. Once again, lazy..

If they didnt not want the moros dps to be that high, they would have done a out right direct dps nerf, just like they did an out right tracking nerf to all dreads.

A nerf to one is a buff to the rest.. Umm no... Thats just more lazy man thinking. The Nag was crap, and it required a complete weapon system change to put it on par with the moros and with selectable damage it will actually be better in some ways.

The Rev needed extra range and so it was buffed.

The phoenix is the laughing stock of the dread ships if you have not read. Have you ever flown one? Not likely.
It is very much the troll ship. It is only competitive in damage on kinetic weak player owned structures. In actual cap ship warfare, cap ships were able to speed tank the damage. While the rest of the Dreads could battleship blap, the phoenix would be laughed at by a battleship. What is worse, a dread that was moving and then popped siege mode while coasting could speed tank capital missiles

Come to think of it, I am pretty sure a titan could speed tank it.
Surely there is nothing wrong in your eyes with that right?

Back again to the whole nerf to one is a buff to others, all it did was put them slightly closer in terms of dps, that does not fix any of the other ships issues.

Well people in general are really really bad.