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How to make a good tournament: stop as many of the competent teams from entering as possible with a sneak rule change

I mean, I dont want to watch random **** alliance x that got through the lottery to fail in all of their games and get eliminated.

I want to see teams that *want* to be in the tournament and actually practice for it.

This rule seems to be aimed to stop these kind of teams from competing.

The sad truth is, that while there is some novelty to just having *only* alliances competing, nobody wants to watch couple of retards flailing at each other and eating sand.

Ah right, that sucks, I'd assumed you guys where a regular alliance and not a tourny team. Best of luck anyways fingers crossed maybe you can get something sorted out.

o7
Drac

The Alliance Tournament is better than the Super Bowl. Nothing like popping up the HD stream on your TV and killing some beers to high level small gang PvP at it's best. Looking forward to it!

Go Rooks and Kings!

Its a silly decision. When has the AT ever truly been about alliances? The entire alliance is never involved, except those made specifically for these events. Instead the alliances get volunteers and make up teams from their membership who then practice together for weeks to get ready for the competition.

1000+ man alliances aren't competing here, its just a tiny subset of them that do. I highly doubt that any alliance team just bring in any random scrub from their alliance to play in a match, unless they are desperate. Its disingenuous to say otherwise, and this rule is just silly.

I think you hit the nail on the head. This is hardly about an alliance but merely a group of elite high ranking and high SP'd alliance members who participate without question or happen to be friends of the right people. If this is an effort to marginalize unfortunate players new to the game without over 150 million SP or those who don't know the "who's who" of EVE then congratulations you did it.

A quick post to say that...

1) Boiglio will be filing a petition. I'm trying to get in touch with at least one of our two AT organizers today before I file, but if I don't hear from them--filing anyhow. Please don't consider that delay as having anything to do with a lack of concern or priority on either my part or that of my team.

2) I'm absolutely heartsick that an idea that I've generally advocated for in the past (alliance tournaments should be about people that actually fly for those alliances) is now coming back to bar me from the tournament because of a lack of notice on CCP's part. To clarify for those that may read this with some alarm, Boiglio is NOT leaving CAS, even for the AT which she has looked forward to flying in since she began playing Eve. CAS will be flying our alts in the tourney, since our mains are not in a recognized player corp alliance. This ruling affects us some, because we were waiting until the details for the tourney were announced before doing things like figuring out whose alts were going to need what, who might need to do some character transfers, and who might need to have their alt-corp join the alliance. (CAS is a little backward that way, many of us have player corp alts to support NPC corp mains--Boiglio is one of the few who do not, and that is ironically what has her in trouble now.)

3) We don't generally do a lot of talking on forums, and tend to be careful about overstepping our bounds when speaking "on behalf of the group", but I'm not going out on much of a limb to say this much: On behalf of 8CAS and those that supported us throughout our time in the New Eden Open, thank you so much. Whatever the NEO meant to other alliances, the rest of the Eve playerbase, to OWN, and to CCP; for the 8CAS team it meant a chance to fly together in our first competitive arena setting, getting to do so on our main pilots, and taking our shot at showing what we might be able to do. For our corp, our community, it was a chance to be represented on a stage few thought they'd ever see. It should be noted that for each of our matches, CAS chat hit numbers that averaged about +500 from normal. People wanted to see us, wanted to root for *their* team. After the NEO our numbers spiked in all our community activities, including people spending time to visit/live in Syndicate. If not for the time it took to deal with our increased popularity, perhaps some of us might have kept closer tabs on the forums and organized a CAS entry for the SCL. ;) That is definitely still in our plans, as are all further NEOs, but after some soul-searching almost two years ago now--we decided that we can still remain true to the spirit of flying together with the people you fly with day in and day out in the alliance tournament by using alts. I guess we come in somewhat like RvB? A community that internally knows itself very well, and that most outside the community have a vague idea is "out there", even if they aren't sure who the movers and shakers are within the group. My petition will be filed only for me to hopefully get the administrative paperwork in place to reflect what is already known--my home alliance, my place, is with CAS.

Thanks in advance for overlooking the (even more than usual) rambling nature of this post. I'm still absolutely crushed at the idea that I've even inadvertently let my team down. I fly with some really great pilots, great people, that deserve to take their best shot at the big stage that is the alliance tournament.

~A crestfallen Boiglio

My only real thought about limiting the alliances for the alliance tourney is to do just that.... let me explain.

Alliances come and go all the time. For the "alliance" tourney. If you are going to limit anything, limit the age of the alliance. I will use the example of "The Five" from tournaments past or Goggle wearing internet crime fighters. They were formed solely for the tournaments. This is what it sounds like CCP wishes to stop. However people come and go from alliances / corps all the time. My suggestion is to limit the age on the alliance, not to limit the individual player.

Let people join established alliances. This way everyone still has a chance to participate, but they just cannot make a new alliance for it, they actually have to be in an alliance that already exists.

So.... instead of DHB-WildCat must be a member of Hydra before downtime...... It would be Hydra must be a created alliance of more than lets say 10 people (to avoid one man holding an alt in a fake alliance) to be eligible for the tournament.

Anyways just my idea.

Wild

I very much appreciate this and the intention behind it, and I'm sure a lot of others do as well. Thank you.

I like the example.

The Olympic Games didn't allow any professional athletes to participate for the longest time (and some disciplines still don't) because - although professional athletes might show a better performance than amateurs - they just didn't fit the ethos of the games.

Alliance-hopping players and dedicated tournament alliances are basically the equivalent of professional athletes in EVE.

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