Skill Discussions

***Depends on if you understand what people here are trying to tell you...

*** Judging by some of your abusive responses to people making reasonable suggestions, I am starting to wonder who the troll is here.

*** Your first question... What people here are trying to tell you is that they don't see it as a problem. Most people are able to enjoy the game without huge skill points. I have seen very very young characters kill characters that have been purchased on the Character Bazaar because the inexperienced purchaser didn't know how to play the game. Your best bet is to hook up with a corp that can teach you how to play the game. There is awesome fun to be had out there, you just need to be open to it without abusing others for giving you the advice you are asking for.

*** Your second question... Given that most players don't see this as a problem, then it isn't necessary to talk to anyone about it. If you do want to talk to someone about it, try talking to a Dev.

*** Your third question... If you read my answer to your first question, then this really answers itself doesn't it. Maybe you need to just throttle back on your ambitions, be open to what people are telling you and enjoy all the aspects of this game.

For some reason I didn't get subscription notifications for new posts in this threat. Pls bear with me while I'm trying to accumulate a few interesting points and address them.



Let me translate that for you: 'I am TERRIBLE at making ISK and players like me have no problem with the speed of SP generation, since it is faster than our horrible ISK generation speed. '

Yes, I already conceded that before. The SP system is catering to people who are bad at basic maths (which is, quite frankly, all you need to make ISK in EVE).




So, you're not actually questioning his skills in the game, but in the META game instead. I.e. the fact that a new player in factional WARfare can only make money by AVOIDING EVERY SINGLE FIGHT vs. another player, running as soon as anyone appears on D-Scan. Because due to that player's likely SP advantage our new player will not be able to beat him under any circumstances. (Not taking into account that our aggressor might be a complete moron)

The guy was told he can make ISK via PvP when in truth he can only make them via avoiding PvP, doesn't sound a bit odd to you?



Looks like you're quoting me (quote= would help, you know), which means that's a bold assumption you're making there.

Whatever made you come to that conclusion? And wherever did the 'giant awesome ship' come from?

The only reliable tactics is to bring higher numbers, everything else would require prior knowledge of your opponent's setup to be able to create a counter fitting - which seems somewhat unlikely. (Also the veteran is more likely to have an OGB alt, since you brought them up.)



The SP system is a nice idea in general, especially when it comes to diversification and making choices between weapon systems and racial ships or profession paths.

I already adressed the main flaws though:

Where there is no diversivication - i.e. for the BASIC skills, that 95% of the players will have at some point within their first 2 years - it's just a HUGE and unnecessary time sink. It's not forcing choice at all, because there is no realistic choice.

There is no reward AT ALL for playing actively versus passively skilling an alt that is never logged in. To the contrary, the active player is even penalized, either by not being able to use a perfect attribute mapping or skill choices being dictated by the active mapping or being forced to invest into skills that have a shortterm use but will be worthless longterm.



I'm also frankly quite sick of every critical word being attributed to the 'instant gratification crowd', whatever that is even supposed to be, definitions seem to fluctuate wildly. Even with the IMO necessary changes, creating a decent specialist character would still take many months - you may wish too look up 'instant'.

I know I posted somewhere in this thread.

Anyways to address the point of the OP. Just sub in the game play the skill queue for 2 years. Then come back and see how much u can do.

Should CCP ever care to read this whine fest, id like to leave this here:

please CCP don't chance the SP system, there's nothing wrong with it and the perception of inequality helps new players realize the importance of group play.

You arent meant to do everything like that. I can do everything but I cant benefit from it because I am forced to one role at time. Eve is a team based game. Getting new friends to replace the ones that quit is the key to success.

Just look at the skills. You need little to use a module, then the rest after that is like 5% increases to meaningless stats. And why go for tight fits. It isnt a beauty contest; 10 fockers in **** fits shoot one princess anyways. It doesnt matter if he does 55% more damage.

sandbox = kindergarden sandbox = more friends, the better. Lonely kids toys get stolen and broken. No matter how shiny.

First I have to apologize: I couldn't get myself reading past page 5
Second i consider myself with about 1,5 years play- and training time a new (noob) player with a toon that can fly anything up to T2 BCs effectively and just recently finished the gunnery skills for the last T2 guns.
It did take me this long because I branched out in science and industries and I tried out a bunch of stuff.

You, sir, made up some stuff, whine about it on the forum with a bunch of weird assumptions while accusing everyone criticizing to not answer your made up questions as you dodge any questions that try to clarify your vague formulations.

Oh, and I won't bother to even try and discuss with you, there were enough people trying to do it.

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While the Original Poster may be trolling a bit, some of what he stated does hold truth. But it’s because in the last five years other MMO’s have provided instant gratification and coming in green to EVE it’s a bit taxing on the requirements from what some are accustom too.

I can understand that.

Here’s my EVE experience as a whole, what I’ve learned, identified and the direction it lead me too.

I started my first character; what do I enjoy in any game? I enjoy PVP and hard PVE content. This was back when training learning skills was a big part of EVE. It was quite overwhelming for me starting off, impatient and waiting to get in to the action.
I lasted three to five months, made another account for mining and hauling which I discovered interest in something I’ve never had before. To this day I discover more things I haven’t before, which is wonderful.

Now I had three accounts. I did that for about a year. Sold all the characters I had and bought a “bigger” one that had a little bit of everything but quite good at all of them.

I made tons and tons of isk ( for a soloist) from PVP, and industry I had some set backs but in the long run I really accumulated a lot. In the end I had my logistics covered; own Jump Freighter, everything sorted for sneaking in to plex in 0.0 and blowing people up. I experienced most aspects of the game to identify what I enjoyed doing the most. Pretty much the same thing going in to it. PVP and Exploration for harder PVE content with small hand in smaller interests later discovered on my journey.
I created a new account with a goal. +5 implant it, define a two year skill training list for max efficiency, and don’t play it until complete.

Around this time real life caught up and I’ve had a really busy year. I had to study and obtain eight certifications this year, along with moving 500miles (twice) and now starting on my first house. I have no time to play, still! I stopped my Subscription on my main toon, while I kept this one active the entire duration of my absence so far.

Any other MMO I’d of been left behind, level caps and restrictions. I would be at the bottom of the food chain again with a large time investment before me getting caught up to current content. By the time I accomplish that a new expansion is coming out and I have to start over again.

I haven’t played a single game in over a year. What’s my position being away from EVE so long and realistically another six months before I can get back in to it?

I’m doing excellent in EVE! I have a little over 27M skill points. 15.5m in guns. All race guns from small to large to 5, all gun support skills to 5. Spaceship command I have 10.5, all race combat ships Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battle cruiser currently at 5. All race battleships will be at 4 beginning tomorrow and I start them to 5.

In a years’ time being AFK I can sit in any race combat ship, use any race gun with the skills to back it up (minus tank and support skills).

Perception is at 29, Willpower at 29 I’m almost done and ready to remap to train for Tank and support skills. By the time I reach the two year mark for my projected plan I will be exactly where I want, no limitations on what I want out of EVE.
No other MMO can I do that that. To me that speaks volumes and has value.

I can take a break and not let real life sacrifices impact my gaming experience. It only welcomes me back with more to play with and learn.

When your 18-30 age bracket it’s easier to dedicate big chunks of time gaming, I speak from experience! Once you get up there in the years, it’s just not possible anymore. It’s nice to have something that can work around that.

So:
You think 26 million SP in ships and guns = useless?
And you think that not playing will make him a better player than an active pilot would have been?


Surely your post is a troll. I recomend it, and this whole thread be locked, for it is surely 28 pages of zero content.

edit: Screw it I suck at quoting

But catching up would be a question of days, not months
Situational I guess it would depend on which game you were going to. Another is time factor, how much does one have. In retrospect I can see it not taking long with some mmos to get caught up.

Also..you wouldn't have had to pay a subscription during your break, while not playing!
True! Thankfully this account has entirely run on plex. Those days of camping and mind numbing pos ransom or take downs paid off.

Once you did that, you will actually be better off than a person who played during those 1.5 years
Situational, If your new and need time away better tanking, support, etc skills can only help. Be a bit more forgiving, provided a wise decision is made to stick to things cheap during the learning curve.

I’m seasoned, but a little out of date with my time away. I’d of posted with my other account but I don’t have it active. But none the less here I am. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Chimay#kills

Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd?
Sure, I knew I’d be gone for a while, So I’ve done my training in sections rather then scattered about. Boom section done, Alllll righty then, works for me.