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Well, I must have been really lucky, cause I the 6th didn't work, disregard my comment.

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in a nutshell, CCP don't bring it on TQ like this allow it more finetuning / feedback.

don't make your uninventory mistake again....(wich is STILL not as effective as the old one, btw....)

Yeah, I'm sure when they redid scanning last time, they sat down at a table and said, "Okay, so... deep space probes. Here's what we'll do with them. We'll make it so the player can sit down with a spreadsheet, and then use these things to immediately tell which sigs are of low value. That sounds like a pretty advanced tactic, right? Right?"

There are 2 main points going on in this thread regarding deeps. One is the ability to drop a single deep and know what sigs are based on sig strength. The other is using them in a probe setup with combats.

I do think the drop 1 probe get sig strength is a bit gamey and could be addressed without removal of deeps.

My main issue is that the deeps are integral to any advanced probing technique and should not be removed unless there is a suitable replacement for this method. The reason for Astro 5 was 8 probes and deeps. If you wanted to be the best scanner this is what you trained. I didn't even think twice about the skill train because I love scanning and knew to be the best you needed it.

Your second point is what i was looking forward for the most as not yet fully skilled prober. That's what dissapoiunt me the most right now.

I can see why CCP maybe thought the DSP insta filter was bad and wanted it gone. But then why didn't they just randomize the signature strenghts to some degree instead of removing the whole system. It's like amputating a leg to fix an ingrown toe nail.

Completely different change with Apocrypha. It went from a random number generator to requiring skill at setting probes and arranging them. Most scanners find their setup and stick with it, so an automated method of doing this is great. Removing deeps is limiting a probers options. I'm fine if you're a basic prober and want to use the default layout, but if your profession is probing you want options. I'd love even more probe types for specialized situations which would allow for other probe arrangement such as in combat probing or even specific ship type.

Basically I want to see probing become more accessible but once you get into it you have multiple options. Not a one size fits all.

Yes, I'm sure they will redo all Minmatar and Amarr ships because you don't feel like cross-training racial frigates.

The issue with DSPs is wormholes. I agree, you don't need them for the occasional scan in hisec.

However, around 50%+ of the systems I come through I would have to scan 40+ sigs. Again 40. FOURTY. This takes some time.
By scanning a lot and experimenting, I came across the dsp - though I started with 8 sister DSPs, I soon came to the conclusion that one regular one is just enough. It helped me keeping an advantage over casual scanners, as scanning was merely all I did till now in eve.

The announced changes are therefore a raised middlefinger into my face (and surely the face of many other pilots) that used to skill stuff you can now replace by fitting three mods, giving you equal access to probe down all possible sigs without any true specialization. Now, more people scanning is not a problem, but wormholes being empty as **** regarding pvp, at least DSPs did allow us to quickly map the chain (what we practiced LONG time) and allowed us to master the interpretation of that excelsheet. There are a lot of oppurtunities where one jumps a wormhole and after the first scan result, can say how many wormholes, k-holes, worthy sites etc. are in there. This is not an exploit, but IMO the reward for doing this extensively along with some mindwork.

What CCP is doing right here, is nothing but setting people back to where they started - aka taking away from the game for us real scanners. Real scanners because there is a difference between scanning 10 radars or ~700 sigs and ~150 wormholes a month in average. I scan a lot, and I don't like my primary tool being deleted cause devs say 'eh, you don't need that anyway, look we gave you more colours.'

Now factoring in that just slapping three modules in the (atleast for pure probing chars) mostly unused mids on a toon with all III/IV will yield the same advantage as lvl 5 scanning skills is absurd.

You never knew what all the sigs are, what are you talking about?


My edge came from using eight probes,setting them up in elaborate formations quickly, allowing for fast probing even in unbonused ships. DSP was a nice boon but not the deciding factor.

Overall really nice changes. Except where you made it so you have to launch 7 probes.


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