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Will hidden ore sites (such as the current Grav sites in 0.0) be instantly warpable to with the new discovery scanner? If so, 0.0 mining will slowly die. The cloaky assholes will directly be a threat (even if we're trying to get things done with them in local) and I just feel mining will hurt as a whole.

Yes, all mining sites will be warp to anomalies including those in 0.0 and wormhole space, and no mining will not die. In 0.0 you have it good, you have this magical little window called 'local' that tells you when someone has entered, and if you are paying attention you can warp out before they even get to you.

In wormhole space, it would be wise to use another character or person as a scout and sit on your connecting wormhole(s) to warn you. If you do that, there is absolutely no flippin reason you cant still mine. It just requires you to actually play the game and pay attention if you want to.

Won't having probes auto-recall on dock/jump harm the core probe market?

Actually this is bullshit. It doesn't really give a bonus because the bonus it gives is taken away from existing skills.

Before Pinpointing gave 10% per level, now it gives 5% per level and Astrometrics gives the other 5%. If they had left pinpointing and such alone and just removed Astrometrics altogether he would be in the same place. The only people helped by the bonuses added to astrometrics are new players.

Unless I read the original post wrong that is.

please oh please dont do this.
why remove being able to launch 8 probes?
this is a massive nerf to probing.

i REALLY hope this gets changed back to 8 allowable probes.
there is a huge difference between 7 and 8 probe probing and it's by far the most important reason to train astro 5, even with the new bonuses it will give.

I played around with the probing today on Sisi. It's different and so I'm slower at it, but it seems to be a step in the right direction. With that said though, there are numerous bugs and issues I have with it:

• The biggest issue is the systems scanner does not save 100% signatures. For example, after you scan something to 100%, move your probes off of the target and run a scan, you will not see the original 100% and loose all knowledge of it, so you have to rescan it down from scratch again. This must be fixed, else people with get very upset when this rolls onto TQ.


• You cannot copy-paste scan results. This is something that most WH corps use extensively to coordinate, using both 3rd party tools and in chat. Having to type out ID names is very very annoying. This and the above are the two most important things to fix, the rest below are annoying, but not critical.


• In the system scanner, there is no differentiation between "cosmic anomaly" and "cosmic signature" as I suspect that the end gets truncated, so you only see "cosmic".


• As you have already added in the OP, the distance from the scanner is missing. Also, the current size of probes not just the size from the last scan.


• Do probes expire? There is no timer anymore. If they do expire, this needs to be added.


• Can the return probe/deactivate buttons return (you have plenty of room in the window)? Currently you have to go through a contextual menu, and I was hoping we would see fewer of those, not more.


• Clicking a dot in the solar map (F10) does not highlight the signature in the system scanner. The other way around still works though.


• Scaling currently is "alt-shift" please change it back to just "alt".

Those are the issues I had. I would like to see better integration with the in-space sensor overlay, but I will comment on that in the other forum thread. Overall though, I think the new probing scanner is more accessible without changing the formula nor elements involved with actually probing something down. The color coding is very nice, especially when I can see the amount that changed from one scan to another.

What's going to happen to Wormhole Radar and Magnetometric sites? are we going to lose the sleepers? do we get an improved loot with aditional t3 salvage and maybe some sleeper spawns on box opening? Are we losing the talocan ship that sometimes spawn in there?

Are the Gravimetric sites changed to get aditional sleeper waves after some time like empire ones?

Are the gas sites changed?

2 5% skills are greater than one 10%. It's a gain, not a break even. Especially so if you had scanning skills at 5/4/4/4.

Edit: Also T2 probe launchers require Astro V

Edit 2: Another thought, since all the probes within range of a target contribute to the result now and astrometrics increased the number of probes one could use it indirectly had the same effect prior, though one could simply choose not to take advantage of it.

Acquisition, Pinpointing, and Rangefinding need to have their ranks lowered (and skill points refunded). It's rather absurd to have 5x and 8x skills that give you such a tiny benefit compared to what you can get with ship bonuses or modules.

I've sent two bug reports for use with the Scanner button-radial menu. I'll mention them in here too:

- The hover state of the 'parts of the pie' is not determined by the edges of the parts. Sometimes being near the edges makes you lose the hover state (and ability to click). Also, there are (seemingly changing) positions where the pointer is still over one part (option), but another part is actually given the hover state.
=> The hover state of the radial menu must be based on the edges of the parts, nothing else!

- When you click anywhere with the radial menu open, the pointer will reset to the place on the Scanner button where you clicked it to open the radial menu.
=> Let me control the pointer, thank you!


Further:
- Great that you remember the last launch pattern used (for when activating on the probe launcher)!

- Aren't those data and hacking sites converted to the new system yet? I found this Data Site - Unsecured Perimeter Comms Relay that looked just like before (with sleepers). Or is that only changed in K-space?
- As mentioned before; probes show up in system map positioned around the sun, while they are really around your ship. I expect the spheres to be in the center of the view, which is my ship (unless I pan around myself).
- What's the idea about adding those modules? I guess I like the option of reducing scan time. But what's the point of having skilled everything to level 5 (I even specialized an alt for that) if I can get quite for with just modules too?

- I scanned down (and bookmarked) a data site. Why does it still show up as an Unidentified Site in the (3D) Sensor Overlay? Everything scanned to 100%, bookmarked or not, should be in there.