Science & Industry

Why 20 of those when you could have one of these? Dyson Sphere

you are not even close, the stockpiles are gigantic

In one Star Trek episode they found a Dyson sphere that had been abandoned because it was built around a star that went unstable. On seeing that my first thought was "The selected a star that went unstable? I sure would not want to see that law suit".

I'm sorry but i'll ask something that's REALLY bugging me out about this whole thing, and not only ice.


While i'm not trying to start a flamewar, i can't understand a thing. WHY null-sec corps don't recruit 20-30 dedicated miners for them, just for having all the supply they need, be it ice or ore, and pay em' a nice amount of iskies? They don't even need protection sometimes in the Blue donut sea, and it's hell easy to do. Instead of having to deal with logistics and freighters, just grab 20-30 "High-sec" carebears, and bring them to null. Don't make them go to war, don't make them be in comms all the time, just let them mine and sell the minerals to YOU (And ONLY you, no shipping to Jita at ALL) and there you go, your own personal supply.

Oh! And make them mine ice too if needed (It can be the corp tax) for your fuel needs. I've seen a LOT of corps searching for miners but they ask them to pvp too......Hell, i would even move this alt to 0.0 to mine for ANYONE if i didn't have to deal with the CTA's and the drama, i've even set up an industry at totally fair prices, a FULL null-sec industry.


But no, the word "PvP" always appears, the sp requirements always appears (When you can mine with as low as 1.2m sp). Why bother with all the logistics when now you have a real chance of doing it all in your home.

With this change, i expected a flood of "Miners" recruitment from 0.0 alliances, but i saw none, or too little (Just being curious). So what's the problem ? Do you think that a pilot who mines for your corp/alliance only is not worth it? That is just a carebear ?

I'm sorry to make this analogy, but for example, jets must be made for RL war, do you think that the enginner or the people that assemble them are not worth the same as the soldier who pilot them, that they are not important?....


Sometimes i really don't understand 0.0 people in this game.


Note: This ended being a rant...i'm sorry, but it's something that troubles me deeply...why indy pilots are denied a place in 0.0 warfare and relegated to the "Alt" role......

Note II: No....i'm not an indy pilot xD

Alot of big successfull ones do. There are some that are PVPONLYNOBEARING but alot of corps have a industrial subcorp to help them go with mineralbuyback below jita and more.





My question is will we ever see a random racial isotope ice field added into the indsutrial index system along side the small-giant gravsites, say at indy level 4 a random racial icefield spawns in system?

I've made this argument before, and it fell on deaf ears. So good luck.

This is a sad day. A day in which I might have to take my own life.

I actually agree with a Goon on something.

/wrists

I understand what you're saying, but that's not how I would view the situation. Technically there's an infinite supply of ice in the game, technically. But I consider the supply to be what is actually mined. And that supply is bound by the market prices of isotopes. When there are too many ice miners the price of isotopes drops, and then people stop mining because the hourly rate is so low. I never saw this as a problem because the problem was self-correcting.

So I'm considering this desire to change the ice system as a desire to push ice miners into low/nullsec. Since the highsec situation wasn't broken, you just wanted more isotopes to come from low/nullsec. Well the solution is incredibly simple. Just decrease the isotope yield of highsec racial variants to 200 isotopes (down from 300), give lowsec an improved racial with 300 isotopes, and nullsec an even better improved with 400 isotopes). Then highsec ice mining becomes less popular by comparison to low/nullsec, and a greater share of isotopes will come from non-highsec.

Likewise, with these changes there is no further need to double the yield rate of the ice miners. There is no need to introduce this power creep into the game. Power creep should be avoided at all costs.

While this is being done, the non-racial ices should be rebalanced to an escalating ozone yield so "better ices" are actually worth more:

Glare Crust: 500 ozone -> 150
Dark Glitter: 1000 ozone -> 250
Gelidus: 500 ozone -> 500
Krystallos: 250 ozone -> 1000

I actually consider the HW and stront within these non-racials to be balanced enough according to the original design. It's only the ozone that needs to be inverted.

These changes will eliminate the need for the 4hr respawn timers and bring orderly balance to the ice in the galaxy. The new dynamic ice system is a fine change to showcase the new features, but the 4hr timer will only hurt and frustrate the players.

• In highsec: Players will get home from work in the US and EU primetimes, log on to mine and find no ice fields, or 100s of miners in a field that's about to deplete. The player will not be able to ice mine.
• In lowsec: No one will mine here. Lowsec ice mining is never worth the risk-reward because the risk is insane and the profit is only marginally better than highsec.
• In nullsec: An ice belt will spawn and the high value ices will be poached leaving 90% of the volume of the ice belt intact. Then a real mining team will come along half a day later, put in dozens of manhours, and finish off that ice belt. The 4hr respawn timer punishes the players who work to cycle the ice fields because they most likely won't be around in 4hrs to poach the high value ices out of the next one. 4hrs is an exceedingly long time for a player.

who will mine ice in null? any one with half a brain.

let's have a look, the isk/m3 value of an ice anom located in strong true sec in odyssey will be worth 358.39 isk/m3.
a 10% variant XL grav site, will be worth 290 isk/m3.

but mathematical wziard, you don't mine ice and ore at the same rate! well little timmy, that's true.
you mine approximately 8% more m3 of ore, than you do ice.
that means when we adjust the isk/m3 value of ice to compensate for this, a strong truesec null ice anom is reduced to the lowly 331.97 isk/m3.

i mean, who'd want 50isk/m3 more anyway?

3000 units of improved racial ice in weak truesec areas of null.
3500 units of improved racial ice in strong truesec areas of null.
as per the sticky.