EVE General Discussion

Maybe if Tardbar cries enough about it, CCP will forsake their wildly successful, ingenius, and extremely lucrative PLEX system.

Why are people so outraged? The only thing that will change is that CCP will sell more plex.

The -10 gankers will continue ganking just as they have until now. Why pay? You do realise that positive sec is not needed to be able to gank?

I highly doubt that those who maintain their sec so they can chill on gates will increase their ganking activities. You see, now they stop ganking coz they have to grind some npcs to be able to continue their play style. With the tags the frequency of their ganks may increase temporarily until the market adjusts and the tags are just not worth buying. Then you are back to grinding... or stopping the activity.

The casual gankers may dip their tows in more often. That's the only thing I can see changing. Big deal.

This would imply that everyone who has negative sec status are HS gankers.

No.

Gank person, lose sec, buy plex, loose that plex on isk for tag ( consequence right there ), go back to killing people

The allegory of the shoe shine boy.

Once upon a time there was this town in which people loved to drive their cars. It would take $15 a month in the local curreny to drive about the entire month. Now there were three classes of people in the town. First there was the middle class who simply used their savings to pay for the $15 a month. Then there were the poor people who didn't have enough money or didn't want to pay the $15 per month. Then there were the rich aristocrats who had plety of money for the $15 and then plenty left over.

Now everyone in this town also loves to have shiney shoes. The middle class shines it on their own as well as the poor poeple. Now the rich aristocrats, being the lazy sods that they are, would rather have someone else shine their shoes for them.

So they go to the gas station and buy a gift certificate of $15 and then calls up a poor person and says "Hey boy! If you shine my shoes all week for me I'll give you this gift certificate! Its a deal!"

So the poor boy thinks it over and say "Ok I guess."

So they go to the rich aristocrats house and the shoe shine boy starts shining the shoes. The rich aristocrat all the while says "Shine it boy! Shine it real good! Don't you look me in the eye when I talk to you, boy!. Yeahh.... Do it. Make those shoes shine."

So after putting up with the abuse and hard work the poor boy gets his $15 gift certificate.

Now we can say that the boy is getting a good deal, but how can this be when the aristocrat made him work so hard and now the poor shoe shine boy has no time to shine his own shoes.

The shoe shine boy could decide to find another aristocrat to give him the gift certificate for less time worked, but it turns out there are many shoe shine boys in the town competing for the priveledge to shine shoes.

So the moral of the story is, someone else has to work less hard than you by using their wealth and therefore has a time advantage over you.

Sure, but that isn't pay to win. The thing you don't seem to be considering is that this is true for both in game as well as out of game wealth. You have this weird conception that it takes a lot of time and/or effort to grind up enough ISK to buy a PLEX. The truth is that I can buy 4 PLEX for 5 minutes of work a month. And I don't even register on the scale of how space rich people can get.

-Liang

From my understanding, that requires more than 5 minutes. You incomes may come in at 5 minute intervals, but I'm sure the rest of the traders would be insulted if you said thats all it takes. Don't you have hundreds of buy and sell orders that you check every 5 minutes throughout the day?

Don't tell me you have 3 market orders and log on once a day to see your wallet flash.

For the majority of players it is apparently. Or have you heard about how no one pays their EVE subscription anymore.

So for the majority of players plex does offer a great time advantage.

Of course that are a handful of space rich fools who would boff at a 1 plex bribe, but for the majority of EVE players that would incite action.

I'm sure someone with enough plex, could simply buy his way into an alliance position and get a cut of their income until he is as space rich as you. Don't feel too special.

That's what I'm trying to point out - I'm not particularly space rich and I don't feel particularly special. There are so many people who have more ISK than me that I don't even know what to tell you. Your entire argument about having enough PLEX to buy your way into an alliance position is invalid and unlikely. What's more likely to happen is that you'll get all your PLEX stolen in a recruitment scam - and frankly there are much better ways to get to what you want anyway.

For instance, offer to do alliance logistics.

-Liang

Well I am talking about a payment plan. Obviously if you threw 500 plex at a person they would cut and run as the first choice. But if you offered to pay them over time which is why I specified this.

I suppose I should accept that you'll never understand this as you have some belief in that plexing isn't a time saver because of your personal activities. I just argue, for the majority of EVE players who spend hours a month grinding away to get their plex, the reality is obvious.

Carry on.