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Is the bounty system a bad idea

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#181 - 2013-04-09 13:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.


You tried to say that gettin podded is "no big deal". If I got podded right now it would mean I had to replace ~600-700M worth of implants.

If losing ships and pods is so trivial, then I'd say that the punishment fits the cirme.

Again: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Basic wisdom in Eve.

Losing 100,000 SP. Now THAT'S a big deal.


Big deal or no, the punishement in his case would mutlate into real life since time cannot be replaced. It is therefore not desirable to implement such a half arsed feature.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#182 - 2013-04-09 14:15:40 UTC
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.


You tried to say that gettin podded is "no big deal". If I got podded right now it would mean I had to replace ~600-700M worth of implants.

If losing ships and pods is so trivial, then I'd say that the punishment fits the cirme.

Again: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Basic wisdom in Eve.

Losing 100,000 SP. Now THAT'S a big deal.


Then the punishment would be disproportionate to the crime.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#183 - 2013-04-09 15:04:23 UTC
The power of knowledge has ended this thread on page 1 afaik Shocked

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2013-04-09 15:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Tippia wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty.
So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?

some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED" Shocked
few low-sec roams and i have no bounty.

Nothing changed for me.

When you get killed it doesn't matter if you have bounty or not - you are getting killed anyway. No one will stop firing if you have no bounty.
When you kill someone his bounty is just pretty bonus to killmail. You get killmail + bounty? Great. You got killmail without bounty? Great.

So from point of normal pvp bounty adds nothing. It can't be main source of ISK: 20% of killed ship is too small to compensate your losses.

High-sec
i spend like 2 or 3 months in high-sec with my bounty. Nothing happened. No one decided to meet CONCORD and gift me killrights to collect this bounty. So from high-sec pilot position bounty added nothing to my Eve life.

Putting bounty on someone: why? I still haven't one reason to spend a bit of my ISK (and i'm space rich) to put bounty on someone.

So from my point of view: bounty system is like "sugar" on top of my pvp life. It adds a little bonuses and that's all.
If this is supposed result of this BIG SYSTEM then i'm ok with it.
If this system is supposed to be considered by people - then it failed from start.

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Max Crysis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-04-10 04:13:29 UTC
They should just make it simple. You have a 20 million bounty, if they kill you they get 20 million. Simple enough eh.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#186 - 2013-04-10 04:30:24 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Ralinastrife wrote:
Propelled wrote:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.


oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..


Its a cumulative bounty. Which means it will subtract it from the total of the bounty until there is none left.

Indeed. Though I could do without the eve-mail spam when the numpty I put a bounty on gets shot up in his rookie ship 17 times in a rowSad
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#187 - 2013-04-10 05:52:03 UTC
Max Crysis wrote:
They should just make it simple. You have a 20 million bounty, if they kill you they get 20 million. Simple enough eh.

What if I kill myself with an alt? Always think about how you can game a system before suggesting changes, you'll find it's rarely "simple enough".

The bounty system was changed in an effort to prevent gaming the system and making bounties more meaningful, at least for those doing the killing.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
Roadhouse Regulars
#188 - 2013-04-11 08:49:07 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.


Dude, that wasn't just a one liner, those were clearly two lines, two sentences even ... o_O



"Dude", that was two one-liners, both of which were fail attempts at smartarse humour. Do keep up.

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#189 - 2013-04-11 09:16:40 UTC
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.


Dude, that wasn't just a one liner, those were clearly two lines, two sentences even ... o_O



"Dude", that was two one-liners, both of which were fail attempts at smartarse humour. Do keep up.


True, but unlike You, he was right. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
#190 - 2013-04-11 09:53:02 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty.
So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?

some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED" Shocked
few low-sec roams and i have no bounty.

Nothing changed for me.

Except the obvious fact that you lost your ship.

People kill people in real life too, even if they don't have bounties. If you have one, that only makes people want to kill you more.

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2013-04-11 09:59:11 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:
Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty.
So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?

some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED" Shocked
few low-sec roams and i have no bounty.

Nothing changed for me.

Except the obvious fact that you lost your ship.

i lost 2 or 3 ships before bounty is empty.
And i lost a couple after

As i said: nothing has changed for me

Hannott Thanos wrote:

People kill people in real life too, even if they don't have bounties. If you have one, that only makes people want to kill you more.

"want" - is a very personal. I can't say if someone wants to kill me or not. Either he tries or not. And looking at my Eve life i can't say that i feel the difference between "with bounty" and "without"

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