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Is the bounty system a bad idea

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Ralinastrife
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-13 14:59:54 UTC
For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.

how is this a good system? if i place a bounty on someone i want him to die and dont care if he is flyin a cheap or expensive ship. I just want that satisfaction of him in fear of dying then that last second when he hears that annoying noise of your ship and pod bout to explode!!!!!!!

I dont want someone to be like... oh someone placed a bounty on me for 10 mil. hey buddy you got a sec to help get rid of it for me..k let me jump in a frigate and lets go out there and get rid of it really quick.
Propelled
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-13 15:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Propelled
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#3 - 2013-02-13 15:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Bounty system was changed so what you stated doesn't happen. You only get a % back of the value you destroyed. So there really is little way to come out ahead on trying to claim your own bounty.


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Ralinastrife
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-13 15:12:10 UTC
Propelled wrote:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.


oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..
John DaiSho
JDS Enterprises
#5 - 2013-02-13 15:12:57 UTC
You just havent understood how bounties work.

If you lose a 10mil ship to your friend he gets payed out 20% of your ships worth, 2 mil. If your bounty was at 20 mil, it will still be 18 mil high after that.
Any cargo your ship was carrying around does not count towards the amount of the bounty that gets paid out, so that you cant exploit the system by carrying a lot of heavily market manipulated items with you, that still are basically worthless (thats one of the things that happened with the FW LP madness, where some people killed their own frighters for profit)
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-02-13 15:13:49 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
Propelled wrote:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.


oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..


No. It stays on his head until the end of time - or until He got killed in ships up to the needed value to clear the bounty - whatever happens first.

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John DaiSho
JDS Enterprises
#7 - 2013-02-13 15:13:57 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
Propelled wrote:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.


oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..

No, the bounty would become 9.8 mil.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2013-02-13 15:14:27 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
Propelled wrote:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.


oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..


Its a cumulative bounty. Which means it will subtract it from the total of the bounty until there is none left.

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Ralinastrife
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-13 15:15:20 UTC
oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-02-13 15:15:50 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!


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C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2013-02-13 16:16:10 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Ralinastrife wrote:
oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!


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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#12 - 2013-02-13 16:18:54 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-02-13 16:21:19 UTC
can't deny the facts. the bounty system as it is now is somethign that works.

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Spurty
#14 - 2013-02-13 16:25:37 UTC
It's 'anti-scam' loaded, out the door.

Generates mails as you pew pew telling you that your wallet just levelled up, which is also nice.

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TheBlueMonkey
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-13 16:25:42 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.

how is this a good system? if i place a bounty on someone i want him to die and dont care if he is flyin a cheap or expensive ship. I just want that satisfaction of him in fear of dying then that last second when he hears that annoying noise of your ship and pod bout to explode!!!!!!!

I dont want someone to be like... oh someone placed a bounty on me for 10 mil. hey buddy you got a sec to help get rid of it for me..k let me jump in a frigate and lets go out there and get rid of it really quick.


I don't care about bounties so when\if they're placed on me they really don't matter.

If someone comes looking to kill me for the reward, awesome, I get a fight.
If no one comes looking to kill me for the reward, awesome, I'll go look for a fight.

Bounties or not, this doesn't change.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#16 - 2013-02-13 16:29:04 UTC
The size of my bounty coupled with the fact that I only fly a Velator means I can be blown up every day from now until the internet dies and still have plenty left over.

I have no problem with that. It's far and above better than the old bounty system.

Mr Epeen Cool
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#17 - 2013-02-13 16:30:10 UTC
Spurty wrote:
It's 'anti-scam' loaded, out the door.

Generates mails as you pew pew telling you that your wallet just levelled up, which is also nice.

Also sends notes to those who post bounties that Justice is happening. Which is nice. Cool

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#18 - 2013-02-13 17:54:31 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.


You have just described the old bounty system.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Achenar Chertio
Rajatapaukset Oy
#19 - 2013-02-13 17:59:01 UTC
Xearal wrote:
can't deny the facts. the bounty system as it is now is somethign that works.


Except it doesn't. Two main reasons why people place bounties on other people are 1. for the lolz and 2. just because I can. Secondly, I've seen a thread or two where the OP has placed 1 billion bounty or more on someone and nobody at least in the thread could care less. Heck, they even asked who cares. And why should they when the actual bounty that the wanted person is worth is probably a lot less.

But maybe this is how it's going to be without making the bounty system exploitable again.
Whitehound
#20 - 2013-02-13 18:03:30 UTC
It has a few oddities in how it pays out the bounties as it can happen for dead players to receive a payout, too, even when they have lost in a fight. This is the case when CONCORD or another police force kills a player does it then simply pick the first next player involved in the fight. To me does this make little sense as I see bounties as a reward and dying in the process just does not fit in here.

I am also not sure how it is handled when two corporation members (of the same corporation) kill each other and their corporation has a bounty on it. From what I have read does it then pay out the corporation bounty to the corporation members, which again makes little sense to me.

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