Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sad reply better than no reply.

You basically confirmed Fozzi, but there's no way we can twist your arm to put them back in low-sec?

-V

Well I'm disappointed to hear that, but thanks for replying again at least.

Thank you for responding and giving us the softly spoken, "These options are not going to be looked at". I don't mean that sarcastically. Being told no is much better then being ignored. I do appreciate that even if we are not to get our way, thank you for not ignoring us until we went away (which we wouldn't have but that's another discussion).

Short term increases after a new expansion is nothing new. After the mining barge buff I found a rorq in a low sec belt from some dummy that "came back". That never happened before or since but was a direct result of marketing and so are the increases from retribution.

....and it's not 2007 it's 2013. Learning from the past but not considering present conditions is not a good thing my friend. Think about using that old knowledge and building something with player input to change it rather than just removing crap in the middle of the night.

We're really not telling you this stuff because we just want our sites back or something better to replace it. We're throwing red flags at you that this is bad for EvE and low sec in the long term. That hurts you more than it hurts us.

yes statistics. A 1vs1 in a plex will never show up in lowsec statistics where most kills are at gatecamps. What made plexes interesting was the TERRAIN. The fact that nobody can bait and warp his falcon, the RR dominix to you or bring more friends without being seen.

Eve needs more terrain. More flying in space, less warping/camping in space. Thats also the reason why i liked the old FW plex design better... but i said this probably already 50 times in all those threads.

Thanks for the response at least Fozzie even if it's most definitely what we wanted to hear, unfortunately the statisyics you quoted don't lend themselves to the reality of our pirate lifestyles. Many of us have HAD to move to FW space in the hope of getting kills which now often simply results in being blobbed by FW fleets or attempting to fight warp stabbed FW farmers (oh look farming....)

However I await these future changes with the hope that they will allow us to recreate the true pirate lifestyle in low sec that we all in this thread enjoy, unfortunately I don't await it with much hope.

This graphic (created by the illustrious Joe Struck of Joe's Sign-painting, Pinstriping and Tattoos) was going to be saved for the Veto. London Meet but seeing as we've had the response from Fozzie now there's no need:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2192180/two-ten_2.jpg

We can not possibly argue statistics with you since we don't have nearly the access to sources that you do. However your statistics are misleading you. We on this thread have flown in lowsec before and after the removal. Before there was a great mechanic involving these sites and lots of great fights involving small gangs and solo. After, it is a lot harder to find similar fights (and it was pretty hard to begin with trust me). If your statistics are saying that this community is thriving while everyone in the community is saying something contrary, you are looking at the data wrong.

I was browsing the web in firefox and I noticed my bookmark of Brutor BullFighter:Plex Hunter. What a great blog post that was. Advice from that post dominated my gameplay for several months afterwords :(

Ah, the memories... All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Just came back to EVE after a extended leave.

I am in full support of the players in this movement to bring the complexes back. Nearly all of my (admittedly very limited) solo PVP experience in frigs and destroyers happened at these complexes. I really never felt very confident in PVP so I didn't participate here much, but I must say this:
When these complexes existed, if you wanted a fight you could get one in less than ten min at peak hours, and still within a very reasonable time frame during non peak hours.

It's disappointing to see that CCP has removed what seemed like such a vibrant community (sorry guys, I only read the first few pages and the last few pages), and I can completely understand the disappointment when one of the best aspect of the game that actually was functioning in low security space is taken away (especially after putting in what seems like a ton of new ships and frig balancing that would have been active at these very complexes).

This was a poor choice in my opinion, in order to see "metrics" (as CCP Fozzie likes to call them) that properly reflect the lowsec complexes, perhaps the low sec complexes could be reinstated, even if only for a bit so that with all the changes (in combination with the removal of the complexes from high sec) a new reliable set of data could be acquired?

Just a thought

It really does seem like CCP is hell bent on driving us like cattle into the FW blob-zone, or driving us out to null. In this case I propose a much more efficient alternative: Remove lowsec entirely. With no lowsec, and just highsec and nullsec in existence, we will finally achieve the vision of a carebear horde camped in by nullbears, with blobs, blobs everywhere.

It will be totally glorious.

/sarcasm.

Now, seriously, Fozzie, thank you for your reply. However, you (and your co-developers) seem to be missing something: Not everyone wants to fly in fleets and not everyone wants to bend the knee. Not everyone wants to get blobbed in FW land, either. Heck, if I see TiDi in a system, I go elsewhere, because playing in slow-mo is not what I pay my subscription fee for.

This thread is about the unaffiliated space pirates who would fly alone or in small groups. It was a great lifestyle, full of good fights, hilarious ganks and some blue loot worth effectively peanuts (the most common drops were 10-15mil, if anything dropped at all), but keeping us in frigs and dessies. We could enjoy the fights, ganks and tears, while not doing any of the godawful grind that EVE has for PvE to make ISK.

Personally, I could log in for an hour and expect some funny shenanigans to occur rather rapidly. This is now quite gone. Sure, lowsec might have more fights, or whatever it is that your metrics show, but you've annihilated a playstyle and a community from your game. You've taken a niche that we've made our own and nuked it out of existence. In other words, you left a whole bunch of customers very unhappy.

I think that you should dedicate some serious thought into how you should bring back what you took, on terms which are acceptable both to you, and to the community whom you've harmed.

Please take this into consideration.

And as a parting shot: You say that now more distinct people complete these plexes. Great, but the point of a static resource (not much different from Tech moons, just on a far smaller scale, and far less broken) is that the good people can take over it. If the same people manage to get repeated access to this resource, then it is because they are better at it than others (due to being really good at PvP, being online at advantageous times, or being really good at being sneaky campers - it doesn't matter, they are more successful tha). What in effect you have done is penalize the people for being good, in order to expand the amount of people who can access the resource.

1) Penalizing the successful is breaking the sandbox.
2) We don't see you spreading the Techentium moon wealth because OTEC are better than anyone else at hoarding it. However, you seem adamant that a few individuals fighting for measly "farmable" resources in lowsec must be "rebalanced".
3) We don't see you "rebalancing" missions so they cannot be farmed by a semi-afk pilot in a battleship ad nauseum.

What gives?