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New NPC AI, how about no?

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Marillio
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
#141 - 2013-01-04 19:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Marillio
*snip*
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#142 - 2013-01-04 20:38:03 UTC
First of all Im a big fan of rooks n kings and I kinda feel honored that one of their members wrote in my topic! Second there is an option to move the foating dmg indicator, its located in the options for HUD and its called "enter moving mode for messages". I have some very fresh experience with the CCP petition system: 1.) I asked them a question about wormhole anomaly despawn timers, they gave me a link to evelopedia, wormhole sections, 2.) After a server node restart, the whole server crashed and a full site of escalations in our wh (around 400-500+ mill ISK) disappeared, after 2 weeks of our petition to reimburst us they simply copy-pasted us the msg that they cant give it back to us, even tough in the reimburstment rules we found a point that says if any item lost due to server and not client failure, they will reimburst it.

And you shouldnt live with these changes, this game is nothing without its players and I cant see why would anyone benefit from loosing time investment, aka. useless SP! If someone is looking for harder content he should try incursions or wormholes, or i even dare say lvl 5 in lowsec and missions in curse are pretty hard and risky. This game always gets in to the same problem, the develpers not letting the community choose, they dont offer you a possibility. They only serve you what they think it will serve you best, without asking you. I say you wouldnt pay in a restaurant for something that you didnt order, same order apply here.
Mund Richard
#143 - 2013-01-04 22:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Technically, you didn't loose any items Roll, so the second was only annoying on the wait part.

Linking evelopedia, if it had the answer, while maaaybe not the nicest way (RTFM), works quite well. Heck, I might answer such in corp channel.
If it didn't have the answer, well... Roll

(not at all bump for the bump god)

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#144 - 2013-01-05 09:41:15 UTC
daily bump, btw no the petition didnt help me in any way with the evelopedia link, Im the type of man who will search for his answer first and I only ask if i cant find it anywhere. Evelopedia has no information of such.
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#145 - 2013-01-05 11:06:21 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Gerard Hareka wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Some personal experiences:

I used to run lvl4's sometimes in 0.0 before the patch in a tengu, there were no problems at all.

Today was the first time I tried a Worlds Collide lvl4 after the patch...well...

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?????

I have a good amount of sp, I have experience, etc etc.

I was hardly able to save my 3 bill worth tengu's ass in half hull in the last pocket
.

The problem is not just the full pocket agro, but lots of frigates webbing and scramming after the patch, which didn't do this before the patch.

I know lots of new players from our training corp, they are afraid of lvl4's now, and they can't handle them...in HIGH SEC.

???????????????????????

This whole new AI thing is a big piece of crap... What did you expect from this CCP?

-Complexes? (in 0.0) hmm no, I can't do it.
-Missions? (in 0.0) hmm, no I can't handle them
-Mining? NO WAY

Then what?

You can't make money, and everything is getting more expensive, very nice...


Since this affects bots as well , simple market mechanics will apply.

Less people doing missions rewards will go up - it will be worth of fleeting up.


Really? We did some complexes after the patch (10/10, 8/10) with 3 dps ships, and 2 logies (5 chars, 4 people total).

Nothing dropped...

Totally worth it!!

If you want to do something against bots, I can tell you where to mess things up, in anoms and belts...


Obviously you haven't changed your Tengu to tank the full aggro. Bug or no bug, I tanked both rooms on full aggro without breaking a sweat (and mine isn't expensive at all) so unless your so-called 3-b setup is made of bull, it is very doable solo. That or your skills is like your setup is a bit -- meh.

And on another note, the drone AI change means you have to use a brain a bit instead of whining like a 5 yo. I like the missions to be hard, very hard and making it work requires some thinking. As such, for all those whiners, as in others would say, - "Adapt"
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#146 - 2013-01-05 11:12:27 UTC
As i said before, if you want hard missions go and try lvl 5 or try missioning in curse or stain regions. I assure it will be harder than anything you know, and its not forcing others on what you want. I say you should adapt to the community and not reverse.
Mund Richard
#147 - 2013-01-05 12:26:31 UTC
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
As such, for all those whiners, as in others would say, - "Adapt"

It's like if you'd have to work overtime IRL for the same salary but perhaps also with semi-broken or more buggy machinery, you'd complain to your family and friends about it, but since the economy is the way it is, you'll probably still do it...
And adapt.

Now the same thing happening in a game you play to unwind and have a bit of fun?

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#148 - 2013-01-05 13:44:18 UTC
This is a game, wich is benefitting from me if Im playing with it. On the other side, from my work I am benefitting and I do what I am asked to do. CCP should be doing what the community is asking of them, if they want to benefit from us.
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#149 - 2013-01-05 21:23:16 UTC
I am only complaining about affecting solo PVP. Try to kill a transport ship with a sabre on a gate,
launch a bubble and agress it, while 3 BS shoot your sabre, see how well it goes.
The same is with belt fights, the change as you said only advantages big alliance , their ratters are safe, their members
travelling trough gates are safe, the NPC police now gives support to them. And their plexes are safe to the solo
ninja plexer as the guy above explained it.



Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#150 - 2013-01-06 04:16:30 UTC
Before the AI patch I used to run sites in null sec with carrier or dominix.... yeah i like drones deal with it....

After the patch... lost a fighter on first site i went. Damn ting died so fast i couldnt target to rep it. My response was docking the carrier and moved to the incursion sites in high sec.

Problem with that was: Incursion sites can not be run as they are kept from respawning by griefers in noobships.


Possible Solution: Made petition to ccp.
->Petition response: griefing is valid tactic.


Real fix for null sec issue: Get the AI back the way it was in all null sec sites. No one is making any real isk like this.

And if you think that i'm not right think of this: Null sec was supposed to be a high risk high reword environment. With the new AI patch you turned that into a High risk low reword. As i usually make a site in 25 min for 30mil or so and if i loose a fighter per site thats - 25 mil... And no you cant blame my piloting I run sites in carrier for 3 years... in same carrier. I have 2 capital armor reppers that i use to keep my fighters up when they are getting shot. Problem is I don't had time to target the fighter before it dies, that's how fast they killing them...

Real fix for the incursion issue: Fire the ******** GM's and get some people that actually understand eve to be referees and watch over the fair play. Clearly define what is and what is not valid griefing tactic.
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#151 - 2013-01-06 04:18:31 UTC
Samuel Wess wrote:
I am only complaining about affecting solo PVP. Try to kill a transport ship with a sabre on a gate,
launch a bubble and agress it, while 3 BS shoot your sabre, see how well it goes.
The same is with belt fights, the change as you said only advantages big alliance , their ratters are safe, their members
travelling trough gates are safe, the NPC police now gives support to them. And their plexes are safe to the solo
ninja plexer as the guy above explained it.





Didn't think of it like that but yes you are right and i agree with you.
Mund Richard
#152 - 2013-01-06 08:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Vengeance Thirst wrote:
Real fix for null sec issue: Get the AI back the way it was in all null sec sites. No one is making any real isk like this.
Oh, what a well-rounded approach to the issue affecting hi/low/nullsec!
[/sarcasm]
Sure I do see how solo carrier was made unreasonable with fighters.
I might even not jump on the notice and say go sentry.
But on the other hand, sitting in my BS in a site, I was literally laughing at the tackling SB that decloaked next to me after the expansion, and watched him burn under the fire of my scouts, and the whole friggin room!

Tengu Mach and Vindi still make isk like they used to I am told.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#153 - 2013-01-06 10:04:00 UTC
Daily bump, Its unbelievable how ignorant is CCP to these kind of posts. How many posts or how many likes, what is required basically to get atleast a respond from the ones that were praying/begging to? Its outrageous that they simply ignore us! It seems like civilized solutions are not working. Sad...
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2013-01-06 10:29:17 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Daily bump, Its unbelievable how ignorant is CCP to these kind of posts. How many posts or how many likes, what is required basically to get atleast a respond from the ones that were praying/begging to? Its outrageous that they simply ignore us! It seems like civilized solutions are not working. Sad...

So, you weren't kidding when you implied that you really expect anything from this thread? Uh oh.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#155 - 2013-01-06 10:42:59 UTC
As you can see, I am bumping and writing everyday since the patch. Yes I am hoping for something. Altough I am optimistic..
Marillio
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
#156 - 2013-01-06 11:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Marillio
*snip*
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#157 - 2013-01-06 11:58:59 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
As you can see, I am bumping and writing everyday since the patch. Yes I am hoping for something. Altough I am optimistic..


You're not alone.

Whatever.

Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#158 - 2013-01-06 12:12:14 UTC
New NPC AI just makes mission running and PVE outside Incursions and WH more fun. You now have to do more to get your ISK.

Checking drones etc, it stops AFK missioning.

I hardly lost any drones during missions because the new AI is nothing like Incursion or WH.

WH is like this, its like they have FC's.

"Primary the drone! Primary all drones!

Now kill the Raven!"
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#159 - 2013-01-06 18:13:47 UTC
I generally think nullbears are dumb and can only press F1.

Quote:
You now have to do more to get your ISK.

After this you just made my beliefs more stronger.


If you ever try a mission you'll see there is nothing new or "more to do".
Your drones get insta poped in 90% cases, therefore watching them doesn't help and just wastes your time.

Quote:
I hardly lost any drones

Did you undock during that?

Whatever.

Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#160 - 2013-01-06 18:38:34 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Vengeance Thirst wrote:
Real fix for null sec issue: Get the AI back the way it was in all null sec sites. No one is making any real isk like this.
Oh, what a well-rounded approach to the issue affecting hi/low/nullsec!
[/sarcasm]
Sure I do see how solo carrier was made unreasonable with fighters.
I might even not jump on the notice and say go sentry.
But on the other hand, sitting in my BS in a site, I was literally laughing at the tackling SB that decloaked next to me after the expansion, and watched him burn under the fire of my scouts, and the whole friggin room!

Tengu Mach and Vindi still make isk like they used to I am told.





Hey man i know gunships work. But as I stated I like drone boats. Why would those be inefficient and other not?