EVE General Discussion

That's exactly what I was told 3 years ago by a guy who tried to pop me my first 60 seconds in Archee. (I managed to warp away but we still chatted).

I agree NPC corps are PVP poison: their chat rooms don't encourage pvp at all. But a corp just roaming "fer killz" isn't very motivational either on the grander scale of things either. Those kills need to mean something in order to impress. Sure, the first few kills you make are an awesome win, a milestone in your eve carreer! When I reached it I had spend quite some ISK on pvp experiments and it felt good to achieve that first solo kill, but there need to be goals beyond that.

As a CEO of a small corp I could utilize small, seemingly meaningless lowsec fights into a recruitment effort. That's one thing, but other then that I'd find it hard to tell a newb he should try pvp for any specific reason other then it's fun, which is wholly subjective. In my homesystem, fights make some sense because killing someone might prevent them from doing the same to someone younger on your corp, who happens to be out ratting or whatever. But apart from that there is a huge gap between your first player kill and the actual need for any meaningfull pvp, unless blob F1 is your cup of tea.

At least blobbing might achieve some objective or whatever, but it has little reward in the sense of personal accomplishment. Solo or small gang pvp does, but has little reward in the sense of tactical accomplishment. It's kind of a one-or-the-other kind of thing so it will obviously appeal to two extremes, instead of a broad spectrum of players. FW might be an answer, if I'd make an effort of getting newbies to pvp I'd use FW as a catalyst, since there are LP rewards attached to kills. That would at least offer some short- and medium term goals to gun for.

Personally I just think that if you enjoy adrenaline surges, you might enjoy pvp in EvE. If not, then you probably won't. You can't just change peoples biochemistry. Even pvp without purpose has meaningfull loss attached, hence I'm very divided over the idea of arenas and lossless pvp to ease people into it. I'd rather see improvements that offer short- and mid term goals to herpaderpa pvp, to keep loss relevant but meaningfull because you are working to a specific goal other then getting better at it or farm killz.

I see what your getting at, trouble is giving them free prefit ships to teach pvp is low risk but it isn't exactly realistic. PVP isn't low risk and ships don't generally get handed to you so you would be giving them the wrong impression from the outset. Losing a free ship or two might be fun but a lot of people will soon change their minds when it starts affecting their wallet.

Like someone else said previously there are corps to join to learn pvp in, or theres always the test server.

The really annoying part of this is that it really is easy to enter lowsec as a noob and not get blown up, if you have the slightest familiarity with how to use the star map. There aren't that many gate camps; there don't need to be; the autopilot likes to go into low or null at certain points and those are heavily camped, but there are all sorts of other entrance points that are easy to access.

OP,

by logging into eve you partake in some form of PvP

The point being that some drama llama's love quoting the "fear" thing over pixels on a screen?

Some of you just take this sh!t way too seriously...

It is quite un - missable.

So? Shy people, stuttering people, people who consider gambling is stupid in principle, or don't like sports need help? I find that thought more bizarre then getting worked up over space pixels, frankly. Within the confines of the sandbox, a player can do whatever his nervous system finds most rewarding.