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Institute a progressive Wealth Tax

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-01-02 20:58:56 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Well. Newbies already enjoy 95% of the devs' attention, I see nothing wrong with making them a little richer at veterans' expense. Clearly, this fits with CCP's development strategy of attracting newbs with shinies while ****ing veterans in the ***.


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BORRIS DEMONTFORD
THE OFFENDERS
#22 - 2013-01-02 20:59:12 UTC
All taxes should be flat rate and that includes internet space money.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-01-02 21:02:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.


And i ask you the same question I ask my countrymen in real life when they suggest such things: Why do you feel entitled to stuff IT worked for. Why not work for your own (or in classic EVE style, scam/steal the utter beejesus out of some careless wealthy idiot)? Must everything be handed to everyone with no effort?

Say not to pinko-space-communism.

The question is so ludicrous it must be a troll, but I'd also like to know the answer to the question.



until we're able to ship EVE jobs to the Chinese and and Indians thus force wages down and create even more of a wealth gap while forcing more people onto government assistance, you cannot with a straight face, compare the two situations, sorry.

Please stop watching FOX.

Thank you.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2013-01-02 21:08:00 UTC
Penalizing people for having the initiative to succeed is always a bad idea.

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Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#25 - 2013-01-02 21:08:17 UTC
It could be a good idea to tax corps based in hisec like that. For Concord-protection, and all that. The corp would be taxed based on the wealth of its players (based on liquid ISK and market-average assets), and would be very, very small. But levied across all of Eve, with the wealthier corps being taxed more (we're talking like 1m per 500m in ISK and assets guys!), it could create quite a lot.

Concord could then ration out the ISK to those with a low-enough wealth (calculated as per above) whenever they lose a ship in hisec.

Come on, that doesn't sound so bad does it? Billionaires won't miss a couple of million, but a newbie could really do with it.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2013-01-02 21:12:42 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
It could be a good idea to tax corps based in hisec like that. For Concord-protection, and all that. The corp would be taxed based on the wealth of its players (based on liquid ISK and market-average assets), and would be very, very small. But levied across all of Eve, with the wealthier corps being taxed more (we're talking like 1m per 500m in ISK and assets guys!), it could create quite a lot.

Concord could then ration out the ISK to those with a low-enough wealth (calculated as per above) whenever they lose a ship in hisec.

Come on, that doesn't sound so bad does it? Billionaires won't miss a couple of million, but a newbie could really do with it.

Yes, because we want people to receive government assistance instead of helping them learn how to help themselves.

STILL a bad idea.

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-01-02 21:39:46 UTC
i play this game because its a libertarian paradise

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#28 - 2013-01-02 22:01:55 UTC
I collect alms for the poor. Please transfer any amount of ISK into my wallet and I will distribute double of it in 1.0 starter systems.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#29 - 2013-01-02 22:07:21 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei. I propose CCP remedy this by periodically levying a tax on both ISK holdings and the estimated (by average market values) worth of player asset values; these funds could then be spent on free ships for newbies and such, to level out the playing field and give people a fighting chance against the alliance that currently has a stranglehold on Fun in this game.

I would put all my wealth into the form of items, say morphite or high end salvage.
I would move said items to an alt.
I would allow that alt's wallet to go negative from the tax, never give him any isk.
When I wanted some ISK, Id have the alt put some items into a ship, fly to a safe spot and eject.
Id then get in the ship, fly to a hub and sell the items.

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sitar seaton
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-01-02 22:27:52 UTC
There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.

Are there any irl examples of wealth tax?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2013-01-02 22:32:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sure. If all assets and any corp HQs (and of course the wallets and hangars of those corps) located outside of highsec are beyond the reach of the SpaceIRS.



Excuse me while I move my altcorp's HQ to Bermud... Syndicate.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2013-01-02 22:36:51 UTC
sitar seaton wrote:
There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.

Are there any irl examples of wealth tax?
Property tax.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-01-02 22:37:41 UTC
Free ships for noobs.
To spoil them even further.

Glad you're just trolling.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-01-02 22:42:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
sitar seaton wrote:
There is a difference between income taxes and wealth taxes. IRL we have income taxes, which merely work to prevent poor people from becoming rich.

Are there any irl examples of wealth tax?
Property tax.



they hurt the poor too. Virginia for example...you pay property tax on cars. Thats funny right there...the car you drive to get to work to pay your taxes generates added taxes. Not like you can be without one. You can't jsut walk up the shoulder of I-95 to work lol...
Minerva Zen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-01-02 22:56:34 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
It is well known that EVE has a *Massive* wealth-inequality problem, and a GINI coefficient below that of only the U.S. and Brunei.


Well known? Sounds like some people's perception and intuition to me, not facts and figures. I'd LOVE to see someone actually run the numbers on this. is that kind of info even available?

My perception and intuition: I'm almost certain EVE's GINI coefficient among players with at least a month of paid game time is far less than ANY nation-state today with at least 15 million people.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-01-02 22:58:01 UTC
Actually were it possible for CCP to implement a progressive taxation system taking into account asset and liquid isk value across an account and then allow corporations to levy a progressive tax based on that wealth, that would be a solid idea. Of course it would be implemented in the NPC corps too, because $*## anyone in an NPC corp with any amount of wealth.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#37 - 2013-01-02 22:58:39 UTC
Oh yes... progressive taxation. Then add VAT and so on and so forth. Eventually there'll be various environmental laws too and it is all fun and games until your fleet gets its finest victory and is fined for littering space with meat popsicles and wrecks. Then you get taxation per AUs flied and you have to have bio break every 5 jumps to stay legal - need it or not.

But seriously speaking, no. People would find ways around it and it would only mean the creation of new EVE business model - tax lawyers. In my short time in this game I have seen much better ideas that would create less hassle for players and developers and might even be fun. This... no, this idea is not good for EVE in my opinion.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-01-02 23:08:12 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
hur durr

NOPE.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-01-02 23:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Actually were it possible for CCP to implement a progressive taxation system taking into account asset and liquid isk value across an account and then allow corporations to levy a progressive tax based on that wealth, that would be a solid idea. Of course it would be implemented in the NPC corps too, because $*## anyone in an NPC corp with any amount of wealth.

Any tax based upon wealth in assets is oddly punitive toward an individuals ability to guard themselves from loss when compared to a person who isn't as capable at the same isk making capacity. I'm not seeing how this is a positive thing. Really I'm not seeing how a progressive tax at all is positive.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-01-02 23:26:59 UTC
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