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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
#341 - 2011-10-22 15:02:07 UTC
I like the idea and have advocated a heavy cruiser/battlecruiser along these lines for a while.

Alexandria Aesirial
Outback Steakhouse of Pancakes
Deepwater Hooligans
#342 - 2011-10-22 15:20:10 UTC
I can't wait for the new drake with torps!!! OMG OMG OMG!!!

It's only blobbing when you lose, otherwise it's good fleet comp.
pussnheels
Viziam
#343 - 2011-10-22 15:28:44 UTC
So pocket Battleships

Im looking forward to see their stats

and also bet someone will name his one Graff Spee

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#344 - 2011-10-22 15:34:30 UTC
Tier 3 is kinda meh dose should be Tactical BC's or assault BC's...

i still think that those ships would be more suited for BS class as kind sir that created ship stated,they just lost much "umph" scaling down to class that have issues as is.i mean cyclone/cane/brutix/harb are all boomsticks and then there are noob friendly draek/amarr bird thingy and mirm for tank..i du no why another boomstick there...all races tier 3 ewar/dps BS sound more appealing to me...cant wait to fly a ship anyway.

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Liberty Belle
Yulai Heavy Industries
#345 - 2011-10-22 16:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Liberty Belle
This is an exciting addition.

I think it works well with the upcoming changes to Supercarriers and making Custom Offices player owned and destructible.... I wouldn't call the tier 3 BC revolutionary, but I can see many uses, some even pivotal.

I can't wait to get my hands on these blueprints!
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#346 - 2011-10-22 16:12:51 UTC
Peoples should be reminded that when you fit large turrets, you get poor tracking aswell.

If those tier 3 BCs get large guns and no drones, well, I can solopwn one with my Wolf.
Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#347 - 2011-10-22 16:29:19 UTC
Awesome cool a tech 3 BC oh wait... thats Tech 1/tier 3... Sad I was soooo excited, not that this isn't good... its just not great

But all said, it puts BCs in there traditional naval role which I approve and that said makes a great addition to go with those new customs offices. I mean what better tool to blow them up with. And think of the wonderful fun of HS ganks on carebears, no longer is a costly BS necessary. Gwoonswarm must be swooning with glee Blink (well it will in all probablility make a great ganker) I like the idea, now CCP, take it to the next level in the next year. Tech 3 BCs to give that BC class a little more love and something to train for. Big smile

I do think alot of players will enjoy this one, but I was really saddened I read the initial write up wrong, sort of took the thrill right out of me.

zero2espect
Space-Brewery-Association
#348 - 2011-10-22 17:16:59 UTC
i like the idea but it's the wrong class of ship. i would have preferred to see the same done on destoyers to make a 4 hislot "torpedo boat".

tbh this will be the new blob weapon of choice, think remote repped absolutions with 3x the firepower.

at least if it was done on smaller ships, it becomes a more fun ship to fly (with higher risk of getting killed) without the repercussions to blob warfare.
Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#349 - 2011-10-22 17:44:21 UTC
zero2espect, technically the Stealth Bomber already takes the torpedo boat role. Small, light, fast, and carrying weapons completely out of proportion for it's size.

Alexandria Aesirial wrote:
I can't wait for the new drake with torps!!! OMG OMG OMG!!!
I'll take a bet that the new Caldari BC will NOT be a missile boat for just what this suggests. Probably a mix of weapons, or possibly a dedicated railgunner like the Rokh BS. If it DOES become "a Drake with torps," then it will be a ridiculously overpowered ship.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#350 - 2011-10-22 17:50:36 UTC
ok my opinion ;

Seems fun and i think probably will add to both the roaminggang and the blob , but we don't know any stats yet
so people will have to wait for while .....
so where and how to use this new ship ,? guess we all anxious awaiting the next devblog

I also see this become the ship to use for suicide ganks, but i think that is a minor issue, tho alot of miners will be annoyed by it

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#351 - 2011-10-22 18:11:48 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Misanth wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
That's a bullcrap to be honest.

To begin with, the very need in such a ship can only arise if the game is OVERTANKED. You were boosting HPs several times back in 2006 and later introduced current fubar rig scheme which clearly promotes tank over anything else (50 calibration per EHP rig which aren't even stacking penalized; 200 calibration per damage rig which is stacking penalized and is a lot harder to cram in due to increased PG usage - LOL?)

Quote:
The concept is; violent, fast and fun.

So now you ******* admit the game was spoilt back then. And instead of addressing the CORE ISSUE (overtank) you decide to 'mask' it with a new ship, which

Quote:
[10:32:15 AM] CCP Guard: The Tornado will nerf the drake
[10:32:16 AM] CCP Guard: In the face


most likely will become a new FOTY and overpowered to the brim?

Instead of rebalancing existing stuff (like tier2 BCs; tech3; CS) you decide to widen the gap in popularity between proper ships and dirt-cheap OP crap even further? How cute.


Pretty good post Fon, you highlight one thing: does CCP have a vision/clear view of development, or are they still just producing :toys: with no real thought behind?

One thing tho, regarding the 'overpowered', and other peoples comment about 'why fly other bc'. Well, for one, bc's of today have cruiser sized weapons and hit frigates/cruisers quite well. Will these new ships do? If CCP's blog comment about these new ship producing battleship dps, then we can assume they can fit the largest weapons too. A torp-bc, or 1400mm bc, or tachyon/megapulse bc, or lolblastersheh bc - either hitting frigates/cruisers?

There'll be scenarios where these new ships will be damn powerful, but a roaming gang of these will still die to a bunch of frigs, or a well armed POS, or a blob with tackle support, etc. It won't take long before we see fleets of 40-50 of these dying to ten frigs, a single dictor and scimitar..


I'm pretty sure they don't have any clear vision on what they're doing. I mean, come on, you guys could have easily redifined TIER 1 (!) battlecruisers to fit this newly invented role and NO ONE would have noticed their absence in their own class of complete fail. Alright, Cyclone is somewhat different, but the remaining 3 are utterly pointless. Brutix? Come on, get a Cane instead.

I surely might be mistaken and they may indeed be doing some hidden work to rebalance current broken stuff, but somehow I'm sceptical about it. Dramiel and Logistics changes were announced like 5 (?) months ago and what exactly have we got so far? Nothing. And these are merely 2 minor issues.

It's only few months left prior to next expansion and even if they do release some balancing plans we're unlikely to get them properly tested.


..and then we got the Command Ships too. But yes, I agree.

To be honest, I think this new BC can be pretty fun, and I am assuming (hoping) it will be countered by smaller ships. Plus, it can't tank alpha like a trimarked BS anyway so for fleet action it's gonna be 'too weak' in certain situations (and almost cost as much as a BS, considering the guns). But what's worrying is exactly what we mention, that it seems CCP more 'throw out toys' rather than having a vision and working after that. And what about current content? as you mention.

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Danny Centauri
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#352 - 2011-10-22 18:34:00 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Actually, I could see this be the start of a whole new generation of ship design.

High tier tech 1 ships designed to use weapon system of the next higher class ship. Powerful, but very vulnerable.

High tier tech 2 ships designed to use weapon systems of ships 2 classes higher. (LIke the stealth bomber, highly specialized but extremely vulnerable.)

It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to design high tier Tech 1 ships (or redesign existing lower tier Tech 1 ships) around weapons systems that normally fit on 1 ship class LOWER than themselves, with bonuses to make the weapons extremely effective vs. smaller targets.... but rather ineffective against their own class or higher.

With that last bit, I'm talking specialized bonus/abillities to maximize combat performance, not just slapping small guns on a cruiser or BC.

Hmmmm, this might warrant some serious thought...


Also the other way around battleships with medium gun bonus, this could prove extremely interesting. Specialised cruisers for killing frigates, BCs for cruisers and BS for BCs. They would be expensive to do the job and slower than what they are fighting but with increased survivability may prove very interesting. Great combinatiion to fight BC gangs using them alongside logistics etc.

Also would make for a much more diverse EVE universe.

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7Cai
Space Fiber Weavers
#353 - 2011-10-22 19:51:13 UTC
Please, please use the Naru-kami for caldari or even galente... especially that it took 2nd place...
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#354 - 2011-10-22 19:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
Yazzinra wrote:

i loves my myrmidon. Any clue if this will be an upgrade, or a sidegrade?

i can haz pictur plz?


They will turn the Myrmidon just up side down Lol

btw, BC 5, all races cruiser 5, all large guns specced crew checkin in Twisted , what ever ship gonna be imba, I´m on it Big smile
Kerri Desdemonia
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#355 - 2011-10-22 20:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kerri Desdemonia
For the other three races please please please:

Amarr: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?order=24&offset=384#/d30lvt3 - just cool

Caldari: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?order=24&offset=168#/d30h8af - a finalist in the contest

Gallente: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d2yt8lk - a finalist in the contest

All three have extended hulls (makes sense for mechanic spaces for the bigger guns. the Tornado is extended also, but vertically like the minnie dread so cool) and seem like extensions of existing designs (the similarity to the Archon for Amarr, the reworking of the rokh so it doesn't look like a bloody sidearm, and another cool looking bulbous ship with apparent command tower above like the Hyperion and Obelisk.)

Please make the Caldari one a TURRET based ship FFS!
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#356 - 2011-10-22 21:12:47 UTC
Kerri Desdemonia wrote:
For the other three races please please please:

Amarr: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?order=24&offset=384#/d30lvt3 - just cool

Caldari: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?order=24&offset=168#/d30h8af - a finalist in the contest

Gallente: http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d2yt8lk - a finalist in the contest

All three have extended hulls (makes sense for mechanic spaces for the bigger guns. the Tornado is extended also, but vertically like the minnie dread so cool) and seem like extensions of existing designs (the similarity to the Archon for Amarr, the reworking of the rokh so it doesn't look like a bloody sidearm, and another cool looking bulbous ship with apparent command tower above like the Hyperion and Obelisk.)

Please make the Caldari one a TURRET based ship FFS!


My guesses for other races-

AMARR
CALDARI
GALLENTE

AND

Please make the Caldari one a MISSILES based ship, if I'd wanted a turret, I had 3 other races to choose from!!!

Big smile
OdysseySpace
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#357 - 2011-10-22 21:34:09 UTC
And so a lot of useless ships. It would be better space filler content. And then the solar system the size of the prisons of the camera. When they said something about the custom agents. They've forgotten.
Major Eyeswater
Pane In The Glass Manufacturing
#358 - 2011-10-22 21:48:13 UTC
IMHO, a Caldari Torp BC isn't going to be a mini Golem, so it will need painters, MWD and tackle gear maybe, not leaving many mid slots for drake-like tank, so I will look forward to seeing this ship in the flesh.

I feel these ships might prove useful in a sniping role- Amarr BC for sure, if it can cram 8 Tachy Beams on board.

Time will tell Lol
Vlad McCain
The Black Pearl Emporium
#359 - 2011-10-23 00:19:09 UTC
idk those guns look a tad small for a minie ship... id have thought they'd try to cram 6 or 8 3500mm's on there
tasman devil
Puritans
#360 - 2011-10-23 00:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: tasman devil
CCP Guard wrote:
The Community team is committed to bringing you all the latest information on what we have in store for you in the coming winter expansion and beyond.

Game design is putting the final touches on new ships...and here's the concept overview of the the first one. The ship everyone has been waiting for....the Tornado.

What an A grade piece of cr*p is this sh*t!?!?

We don't need more ships WE NEED BETTER MECHANICS, FFS!

Tier 4 is unneeded... what role would the fill?
BS? Already taken! (by 3 tiers + tech 2 variants)
BC? Already taken! (by 2 tiers + tech 2 variants)
CR? Already taken! (by 4 tiers + tech 2 variants)

Give me a break and fly me to Reykjavik...

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