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Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#741 - 2012-12-06 00:13:09 UTC
Ignore.
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#742 - 2012-12-06 00:14:01 UTC
Well, I appreciate the fact that issues occur from updating other things and legacy code causing issues with them but, they've been fine for the past 8 years or so, why has it suddenly become more of a problem?


CCP Explorer wrote:
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Moving on to the Calculator and Notepad it's obvious you don't like the calculator either. I know that you can hardly see it without a magnifying glass but instead of removing it you should implement a large easy to use one. It actually is a very useful tool that I use a lot and I don't think having to go the desktop to use the windows one is really a good idea, do you? The idea I'm trying to get across to you is to leave these things well alone until time permits you to update them. They've worked for the past 8+ years. Why botch them and annoy people when leaving them alone wouldn't of caused any problems?
Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.
Bosknard
Hey Hey is it Norris or Day
#743 - 2012-12-06 00:14:18 UTC
Kill rights under old rules (like killing a ship in low sec not the pod) are still valid but can be sold under new rules. Give all kill rights to goons for free and see how that works. I think this is fail and will be gamed and abused.


Bounties on hi security players who have not committed any crimes will freak them out no matter that kill rights do not come with a bounty. A certain percentage of players will never go to low or null sec because they do not want conflict. They can live with a little fear of being ganked mining or missioning; but will quit playing under these rules. You added more fear to the carebear and we need that cashflow too. It makes no logical sense either, you buffed the miners last time so they basically cannot be ganked, then you allow bounties to be placed on these same players. New way for hulkagedden, just put bounties on plus 5 miners and people will gank them even if it takes a couple of tier 3 bcs. The higher sec status of the player, the more points they would be worth; will be in the rules I would wager.


The above two issues are not a big concern for me, but I see nothing in these changes that would attract new players. First person shooter games are there for people who just want to shoot everything in sight. There are a lot of "sim city type" players who get off on just building, mining and other safe phases of the game. They do not want conflict and certainly will not keep paying to be forced into conflict by CCP rule changes. I do not see any value added to the game.


Ship refitting is a hate crime. Why can you not improve under used ships by adding things to them such as new slots, drone capacity or bonus? Nobody complains when you add things and make them better. In this case, I hate to even log in knowing that I must refit a ton of ships. That is work, taking away from killing and not what I pay for when I subscribe to multiple accounts. Do you guys like to intentionally anger older players or just oblivous and did not think about just adding stuff? Tier 2 bc nerf was not needed, these ships are already not used in low sec like they were before tier 3 was introduced. Tier 3 is the a better ship in most case for the fleet role of bcs. Two iconic ships were nerfed which is not going to make people happy nor make the game better.

New ships, always cool and that gives the ship fitters joy coming up with new fits. Once again nobody complains much about adding ships even if overpowered like tier 3 bcs.

Still refitting ships, so no opinion on other new features I have yet to experience because I am fitting ships!
PatchYourselfUp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#744 - 2012-12-06 00:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: PatchYourselfUp
Love:

Nearly every new feature. The destroyers are fun as hell, a lot of new sounds are great (will come back to that), the new targeting reticule and UI tweaks are great (love the scrolling combat text).

Like: The Bounty Hunter rework. But, will it work out as planned, and more importantly, will there be tweaks in the future to further encourage bounty hunting? BH'ing as a viable career choice would be a major draw for both old and newcomers to EVE.

Don't like: Some of the new sound effects. The new sound effect when you get sucked into a warp is weak and sounds lazy. When a ship enters warp, the expected sound goes like, "Fffwwwwwip-BOOM". The current sound effect doesn't have that "boom" at the end.

EDIT: There's nowhere near enough bass.

Also, the flagging for ratting or killing mission NPC's is unecessary. At first, I thought the beeping was the sound of my Corax's missile bays getting primed, but I was disappointing to know it wasn't so.

The sound effect played when a skill is finished being trained sounds oddly "cheery."

Other than that, loving the game. keep it up. o7
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#745 - 2012-12-06 00:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Korinne
Has anyone noticed that the tactical overlay is broken now? The distances don't read properly. For example, a target that is actually 5k away from you reads like its 7k way from you, the circles are way too small now for some reason.

Edit: I don't use it that often cept for when I'm cyno'ing so maybe it's been broken for a while.
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#746 - 2012-12-06 00:19:49 UTC
Based on lots of other posts, there's tons of problems, issues and screw ups in general.

They should have titled this winter expansion ' Eve Online Botched Version 0.1'

Oh well :(

Korinne wrote:
Has anyone noticed that the tactical overlay is broken now? The distances don't read properly. For example, a target that is actually 5k away from you reads like its 7k way from you, the circles are way too small now for some reason.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#747 - 2012-12-06 00:40:23 UTC
Korinne wrote:
Has anyone noticed that the tactical overlay is broken now? The distances don't read properly. For example, a target that is actually 5k away from you reads like its 7k way from you, the circles are way too small now for some reason.

Edit: I don't use it that often cept for when I'm cyno'ing so maybe it's been broken for a while.


Can confirm... tactical is showing 200km ring at true distance of 170km.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Zephon Xeinos
Marche au Supplice
#748 - 2012-12-06 00:43:33 UTC
Korinne wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't feel that you can class polish as an expansion.


That's what CCP has been doing ever since the Incarna. You would think lessons would have been learned but no. But can you really blame them? Most players are too ill informed or short sighted to realize alot of what was implimented in this patch is just a bunch of rehashing and reimplimentation of old mechanics. Maybe that has something to with the fact that alot of those informed players have already quit eve, or like myself, have drastically reduced their accounts/evetime.




I believe this expansion was supposed to be noob friendly, thus the new recticle with new information, the new bounty system, the new crime watch.

the AI was supposed to give vet players a new challenge. and the new skills were suppose to apply to that as well.

It takes ALOT of work to make even small changes like this to a program so intricate and massive. So as you can expect here will always be problems when you have so many people working on a job that DOES have a deadline...if you think you can do better then why dont you design your own mmo? and if its such a hardcore creed that "its too hard isnt an excuse" then perhaps you shouldnt even reply to this message and just take every word in its originated context.

they are obviously trying to make eve a better experience for everyone. but invention is 1% insperation and 99% persperation

so the options are either deal with it....or go find something else to do.
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#749 - 2012-12-06 00:45:26 UTC
You have to agree though that it would be nice if we could use drones against NPC's Bear

Zephon Xeinos wrote:
Korinne wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't feel that you can class polish as an expansion.


That's what CCP has been doing ever since the Incarna. You would think lessons would have been learned but no. But can you really blame them? Most players are too ill informed or short sighted to realize alot of what was implimented in this patch is just a bunch of rehashing and reimplimentation of old mechanics. Maybe that has something to with the fact that alot of those informed players have already quit eve, or like myself, have drastically reduced their accounts/evetime.




I believe this expansion was supposed to be noob friendly, thus the new recticle with new information, the new bounty system, the new crime watch.

the AI was supposed to give vet players a new challenge. and the new skills were suppose to apply to that as well.

It takes ALOT of work to make even small changes like this to a program so intricate and massive. So as you can expect here will always be problems when you have so many people working on a job that DOES have a deadline...if you think you can do better then why dont you design your own mmo? and if its such a hardcore creed that "its too hard isnt an excuse" then perhaps you shouldnt even reply to this message and just take every word in its originated context.

they are obviously trying to make eve a better experience for everyone. but invention is 1% insperation and 99% persperation

so the options are either deal with it....or go find something else to do.
Tolshiarion Narnia
The Paradox Directive
#750 - 2012-12-06 00:45:27 UTC
Tonnes of improvements but I miss the old jukebox, where you could customize your music.
Zephon Xeinos
Marche au Supplice
#751 - 2012-12-06 00:48:13 UTC
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
You have to agree though that it would be nice if we could use drones against NPC's Bear

Zephon Xeinos wrote:
Korinne wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't feel that you can class polish as an expansion.


That's what CCP has been doing ever since the Incarna. You would think lessons would have been learned but no. But can you really blame them? Most players are too ill informed or short sighted to realize alot of what was implimented in this patch is just a bunch of rehashing and reimplimentation of old mechanics. Maybe that has something to with the fact that alot of those informed players have already quit eve, or like myself, have drastically reduced their accounts/evetime.




I believe this expansion was supposed to be noob friendly, thus the new recticle with new information, the new bounty system, the new crime watch.

the AI was supposed to give vet players a new challenge. and the new skills were suppose to apply to that as well.

It takes ALOT of work to make even small changes like this to a program so intricate and massive. So as you can expect here will always be problems when you have so many people working on a job that DOES have a deadline...if you think you can do better then why dont you design your own mmo? and if its such a hardcore creed that "its too hard isnt an excuse" then perhaps you shouldnt even reply to this message and just take every word in its originated context.

they are obviously trying to make eve a better experience for everyone. but invention is 1% insperation and 99% persperation

so the options are either deal with it....or go find something else to do.





oh of course, personally though I run laser boats without drones and rely heavy on manual flying even in cruisers on frigs...I love the challenge and it gives me tons of practice.

but you are right...again though....there will always be snags in coding and they will get fixed eventually
Holy One
Privat Party
#752 - 2012-12-06 00:49:15 UTC
Suggestion: add a confirmation dialogue when placing bounties on characters. Its very very easy to add too many zeros by accident. I just did. Big smile

:)
Wigster Atild
Enderas's Holdings Corporation
#753 - 2012-12-06 00:55:03 UTC
New bounty system is just another way players - like myself - can be targeted by on-line bullies and run out of the game.

I run missions, and do other activities that do NOT involve upsetting other players.. I do NOT go to low or no sec, i stay in the (mostly) safe from pvp area of the game commonly known as HIGH SEC. I have a positive security rating and I do not heckle or troll...

So why is it that today -IN THE HELP CHANNEL -when asking about why my drones where being auto targeted by every AI ship in the missions I had been running and being wiped out even though I was actively being targeted by all ships before I released them - I NOT ONLY GET THE USUAL TROLLS BUT FOR MY TROUBLES I GET 12 BOUNTIES PLACED ON ME..

What the hell where you thinking CCP for making in game bulling a legitimate pass time in the game??..


Some players like myself can only afford to play if we pay with in-game plex and if the screwing us by making missions tougher and drones primary targets when running missions isnt bad enough you then NURF every ship im skilled in to make them useless for anything.... and if thats not enough we are now subjected to having our mission boats and salvage ships blown to s**t when we try to undock to make isk ..... just so you can endorse bulling....

WE ARE BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE GAME...

I have had my membership - unbroken - for over 6 years.. your actions on this update is a stab in the back to players like me.

I SURE HOPE YOU ALL GOT GIVEN YOUR 30 PIECES OF SILVER... IF THAT IS STILL THE GOING RATE FOR BETRAYAL..
Oraac Ensor
#754 - 2012-12-06 01:01:05 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Korinne wrote:
Michael Loney wrote:
I love the new tracking camera!



The tracking camera was always there.


No it wasn't What?

Where is it, anyway?
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#755 - 2012-12-06 01:06:52 UTC
Also, I think the new 'Wanted' sign on your portrait looks terrible, bring back the old one.
hehehehehe Chancel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#756 - 2012-12-06 01:07:34 UTC
The Good:

New ships, yay :D

Turret Sounds



The Bad

Level 4 missions are a clusterfuck, and droneboats sucks.

Jukebox is gone



Rest is just...meh...



Sorry CCP

But this expansion is lacking, and especially since you nerfed my main income, missioning.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#757 - 2012-12-06 01:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Korinne wrote:
Michael Loney wrote:
I love the new tracking camera!



The tracking camera was always there.


No it wasn't What?

Where is it, anyway?



Click the options icon in the top left corner of the selected item window. You can also press C to turn it on and off.

Cool feature but needs work. I don't like how the camera bounces around so much and you don't appear to be able to fix your ships position on screen.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Sol De'Sangre
Drunken Union of Monkeys
#758 - 2012-12-06 01:25:09 UTC
exspansion means more content not a sh*t ton of nerfs ive played for 3 years and this is the worst exspansion yet totally hate it
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#759 - 2012-12-06 01:28:43 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Korinne wrote:
Michael Loney wrote:
I love the new tracking camera!



The tracking camera was always there.


No it wasn't What?

Where is it, anyway?


Was in the advanced camera menu.
Nene Ryuseika
The Ryuseika Group
#760 - 2012-12-06 01:30:17 UTC
PatchYourselfUp wrote:


Also, the flagging for ratting or killing mission NPC's is unecessary. At first, I thought the beeping was the sound of my Corax's missile bays getting primed, but I was disappointing to know it wasn't so.




It's always been there (alibeit 2 mins) now its 5 mins.

I must say I like the whole flagging/ safe logoff / saftey (altho stay off on relog maybe pls?)


Some people just spend their entire EVE carer hanging out in empire using the same tricks over and over again on uneducated noobs, should really come out and play with the big boys -


I'de like to see CCP take similar steps with the market. - say a market saftey that makes it impossible to sell something outside a various % range . (perhaps even something the user can tweak)

Or obvious scams blinky red lol

(and no I've never fallen for them, It would be just a lot better doing business, especially using contracts for stuff like fit ships without wading through all the crap)