EVE General Discussion

As a lover of numbers and graphs I have to ask if it is possible to see what kind of impact the two ice interdictions had on bot numbers at the start of the year also what impact the drone changes have had. We know they were raging but we do love our numbers and graphs.

Lin was right then, apparently, and I'll admit that my presumption was speculatively wrong (as even Stillman mentions the trend isn't big enough to be more than speculation).

Strangely, bot-friendly game design appears to have slightly reduced the number of bots caught in high-sec.

I've got to admit I didn't see this coming. I stand corrected.

Edit: Thanks for the data, Stillman. Your reply is very well appareciated.

Re-edit: Also, glad you're feeling better. Apparently not everything that happens in Vegas stays in Vegas after all.

That "constant" is addative. It's linear algebra. When the line slopes down far enough the "constant" vanishes. It's only there to determine positioning. The "small term" of "x" determines the slope of the line. The "constant" as you refer to it is actually the y-intercept.

So we have orientation of the line from its slope (very gradual reduction in high-sec, very gradual increase in low) and the y-intercept (your costant) basically tells us where to put it.

As it were.

I told you to leave the girls their strictly alone... or was it simply a case of "Gambling Fever"?

Mining bots are for kids and stupid, CCP Shreegs did an awesome job at kicking those right in the face and still does, however the most difficult ones to spot, at least it seems, are market bots.

If you realise or at least imagine how much isk trade bots can do, then you should logically figure out the rest of the process.

What are bots used for? -always for real money in the end. Even if the guy starts by just buying shiny ships/mods it ends selling isk for money because there's demand.
Where does this demand comes from? -look at plex prices and do you researches on the internet, search for threads in this very same forum confusing isk with real money, and you should then be able to figure out where's their new "El Dorado".

Bingo, you got it. Yes there are guys around only login in for this reason, because isk for them = money, real money.

1 or 2 trillions of isk, which shouldn't be that difficult to do with a couple market bots in a month x $29/Billion isk (average) I'll let you run the numbers to figure out why some take this isk inflation/deflation so seriously.

The game doesn't need less isk, the game needs more isk, like it or hate it it's a fact.

I operated under the impression prior to Stillman's comment, that because AFK mining only required one input per hour it would favor botting because bot activity would not be distinguishable from normal gameplay due to infrequent inputs.

I suppose it's possible that I'm more right about that than I realized and that the speculatively lowering trend is due to decreasing ease-of-detection. But I sincerely doubt that, so I'm taking Stillman at his word.

They're catching marginally less botters than they used to catch in high-sec post-barge buff.

Enjoy your "I told you so's," I guess, if that's what you need to do.

This changes nothing about my opinion of the barge buffs and their negative impact on Eve's economy. Those points remain clearly valid.

Bots are used to automate repetitive, mechanical activities. AFK mining doesn't involve repetitive, mechanical activities. AFK mining in a mackinaw is within the capacity of a human operating their mining ship on a laptop to the side of their work computer, without feeling too guilty about shirking work.

Mackinaws have degraded mining to the level that you don't need a bot to do it for you.



No argument from me on this issue. In fact, I agree wholeheartedly.

I am bad with maths. Does the data show anything else that CCP catches even less bots now after the changes that make bots indistinguishable from bot-aspirant AFK miners?

Yeah, so CCP catches less bots in high-sec now as the average bot-aspirant AFK miner is indistinguishable from a bot?

I think even the worst-written bot will include some kind of random wait between actions.

So the conclusion here is that mining bots and bot-aspirant miners have truly merged into one faceless mass of non-players. It is very sad to see that CCP caters to this non-playing non-person crowd, even if by accident. This is what you get when you listen to miners about their "needs".

At least the real bots rarely post on the forums for more buffs for their nigh-invulnerability.