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A Few Modest Questions for CCP Sreegs

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-11-18 22:48:53 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think.



Thx for giving me so much credit and let me refrain it again: you have as much impact on bots whatsoever as you had before with other tactics: little to none.
And again the only impact you refuse to admit you might actually have is on some players number of subscriptions.

I'm quite sure you already have the old same answer and rabble about it, no one serious around expects you to admit it and already knows you don't care since it's not your problem but CCP's one.
Therefore if you really had some interesting impact I guess they should have already gave you a forum medal or invite you for some Eve economics Noble price.

Lol

brb

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#62 - 2012-11-18 22:53:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think.



Thx for giving me so much credit and let me refrain it again: you have as much impact on bots whatsoever as you had before with other tactics: little to none.
And again the only impact you refuse to admit you might actually have is on some players number of subscriptions.

I'm quite sure you already have the old same answer and rabble about it, no one serious around expects you to admit it and already knows you don't care since it's not your problem but CCP's one.
Therefore if you really had some interesting impact I guess they should have already gave you a forum medal or invite you for some Eve economics Noble price.

Lol

So basically you're saying there's no information to be had here, even if there is?

I'm not sure I understand why you would argue that your assumptions are better data than the real thing would be.

Regardless of your actual assumptions, that seems pretty deluded.

Thanks again, but I still hope for a reply from CCP about this. I think these are valid questions. Did botting in high-sec increase after the barge buffs?

That's what the OP asks. The question about the New Order's bumping campaign was tertiary.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Melvin Coulter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-11-18 22:55:26 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think.



Thx for giving me so much credit and let me refrain it again: you have as much impact on bots whatsoever as you had before with other tactics: little to none.
And again the only impact you refuse to admit you might actually have is on some players number of subscriptions.

I'm quite sure you already have the old same answer and rabble about it, no one serious around expects you to admit it and already knows you don't care since it's not your problem but CCP's one.
Therefore if you really had some interesting impact I guess they should have already gave you a forum medal or invite you for some Eve economics Noble price.

Lol

So basically you're saying there's no information to be had here, even if there is?

I'm not sure I understand why you would argue that your assumptions are better data than the real thing would be.

Regardless of your actual assumpions, that seems pretty deluded.

Thanks again, but I still hope for a reply from CCP about this. I think these are valid questions. Did botting in high-sec increase after the barge buffs?

That's what the OP asks. The question about the New Order's bumping campaign was tertiary.

GENTLEMEN! AND LADY!

clam yourself!

we will have the answer once a dev answers!

Move along!

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#64 - 2012-11-18 22:56:59 UTC
Melvin Coulter wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think.



Thx for giving me so much credit and let me refrain it again: you have as much impact on bots whatsoever as you had before with other tactics: little to none.
And again the only impact you refuse to admit you might actually have is on some players number of subscriptions.

I'm quite sure you already have the old same answer and rabble about it, no one serious around expects you to admit it and already knows you don't care since it's not your problem but CCP's one.
Therefore if you really had some interesting impact I guess they should have already gave you a forum medal or invite you for some Eve economics Noble price.

Lol

So basically you're saying there's no information to be had here, even if there is?

I'm not sure I understand why you would argue that your assumptions are better data than the real thing would be.

Regardless of your actual assumpions, that seems pretty deluded.

Thanks again, but I still hope for a reply from CCP about this. I think these are valid questions. Did botting in high-sec increase after the barge buffs?

That's what the OP asks. The question about the New Order's bumping campaign was tertiary.

GENTLEMEN! AND LADY!

clam yourself!

we will have the answer once a dev answers!

Eve Vegas didn't last a month and ten days did it?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-11-18 22:57:50 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think.



Thx for giving me so much credit and let me refrain it again: you have as much impact on bots whatsoever as you had before with other tactics: little to none.
And again the only impact you refuse to admit you might actually have is on some players number of subscriptions.

I'm quite sure you already have the old same answer and rabble about it, no one serious around expects you to admit it and already knows you don't care since it's not your problem but CCP's one.
Therefore if you really had some interesting impact I guess they should have already gave you a forum medal or invite you for some Eve economics Noble price.

Lol

So basically you're saying there's no information to be had here, even if there is?

I'm not sure I understand why you would argue that your assumptions are better data than the real thing would be.

Regardless of your actual assumpions, that seems pretty deluded.

Thanks again, but I still hope for a reply from CCP about this. I think these are valid questions. Did botting in high-sec increase after the barge buffs?

That's what the OP asks. The question about the New Order's bumping campaign was tertiary.


Don't get me wrong, I'm also waiting that data. You probably forgot about it but I previously said that if the mining barges buff would make of high sec botland per excellence as you and Zim stated, I'd come back to say I was wrong.

Now I'm only hoping if the numbers show it differently that you are a nice guy and actually post your assumptions were wrong, but I already know you will not and actually will find a little number somewhere to justify your arguments even if you have to make the blind guy on obvious numbers.

brb

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#66 - 2012-11-18 22:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think.



Thx for giving me so much credit and let me refrain it again: you have as much impact on bots whatsoever as you had before with other tactics: little to none.
And again the only impact you refuse to admit you might actually have is on some players number of subscriptions.

I'm quite sure you already have the old same answer and rabble about it, no one serious around expects you to admit it and already knows you don't care since it's not your problem but CCP's one.
Therefore if you really had some interesting impact I guess they should have already gave you a forum medal or invite you for some Eve economics Noble price.

Lol

So basically you're saying there's no information to be had here, even if there is?

I'm not sure I understand why you would argue that your assumptions are better data than the real thing would be.

Regardless of your actual assumpions, that seems pretty deluded.

Thanks again, but I still hope for a reply from CCP about this. I think these are valid questions. Did botting in high-sec increase after the barge buffs?

That's what the OP asks. The question about the New Order's bumping campaign was tertiary.


Don't get me wrong, I'm also waiting that data. You probably forgot about it but I previously said that if the mining barges buff would make of high sec botland per excellence as you and Zim stated, I'd come back to say I was wrong.

Now I'm only hoping if the numbers show it differently that you are a nice guy and actually post your assumptions were wrong, but I already know you will not and actually will find a little number somewhere to justify your arguments even if you have to make the blind guy on obvious numbers.

Search these forums for my name and the phrase "I stand corrected" before making allegations such as this.

I would absolutely admit my error in the light of proof of said error.

There's a body of evidence to support as much, too.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Melvin Coulter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-11-18 23:03:28 UTC
*face plam*

FOR THE LOVE OF THE AMARRIAN GODS! CAN WE GET A DEV?!

Move along!

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#68 - 2012-11-19 18:25:10 UTC
Face Palm is right.

Eve Vegas was over, when?

We're still waiting CCP.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Melvin Coulter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-11-19 18:26:46 UTC
well maybe if we go off topic?

they seem to appear for that.

Waiting for dev...

Move along!

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#70 - 2012-11-19 19:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Melvin Coulter wrote:
well maybe if we go off topic?

they seem to appear for that.

Waiting for dev...

Fine. Story time.

When I started my first free 14 day trial for Eve nearly eight years ago, CCP had no trouble telling me right in the login screen (it was a news item) that I couldn't log in on my free trial because they were trying to combat macro-miners (I'm not joking that's what they called them) by throttling free trial logins.

I literally couldn't try Eve Online when the download finished because of bot miners tying up connection sockets. Bots and the AFK miners who so closely mimic them literally kept me from being able to try Eve. So I want to know if game changes favor that which I have come to loathe in Eve Online for game-health and economic reasons alike.

Seven years later and here we are. Mum's the word on "macro-miners," who somehow still seem (at least from a recent game design standpoint) to be Preferred CustomersTM.

So I went off-topic a little bit, but then I went back on-topic to keep it legit.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-11-19 20:27:49 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Melvin Coulter wrote:
well maybe if we go off topic?

they seem to appear for that.

Waiting for dev...

Fine. Story time.

When I started my first free 14 day trial for Eve nearly eight years ago, CCP had no trouble telling me right in the login screen (it was a news item) that I couldn't log in on my free trial because they were trying to combat macro-miners (I'm not joking that's what they called them) by throttling free trial logins.

I literally couldn't try Eve Online when the download finished because of bot miners tying up connection sockets. Bots and the AFK miners who so closely mimic them literally kept me from being able to try Eve. So I want to know if game changes favor that which I have come to loathe in Eve Online for game-health and economic reasons alike.

Seven years later and here we are. Mum's the word on "macro-miners," who somehow still seem (at least from a recent game design standpoint) to be Preferred CustomersTM.

So I went off-topic a little bit, but then I went back on-topic to keep it legit.



So it's all about an earlier age psychological trauma? Lol

OK ok, I'm out, and for good this time. Lol

brb

Gevlin
Pirates of the Caribbean.
Phantom Horde
#72 - 2012-11-19 20:55:33 UTC
I would looking through he past postings of the Nosey gamer as he has been tracking the activity o te tears of botters

At http://nosygamer.blogspot.ca/

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Melvin Coulter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-11-19 20:59:20 UTC
*suddenly a mythical dev appears*

Move along!

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#74 - 2012-11-19 21:07:17 UTC
Maybe, just maybe, CCP has other things on its mind that answering this thread (I think there is some kind of release that overhauls 4 different game systems arriving in 2 weeks), though I do believe it is a valid question re: botting.

But maybe you should also consider a few things:

1. Trit and Pyerite are not far off their 1 year high (could be a lot longer than that).
2. Demand for mins is not going down with the increased min requirements for T1 cruisers Dec 5th, unless of course null sec decides not every player needs his own supercap.
3. Whether it is true or not, the rage against miners just seems to ratchet up further, and I would be very surprised if goons et al do not start up some kind of bounty griefing campaign against miners Dec 4th.

Putting all those things together, maybe, just maybe, CCP has decided that not only do they like the additional subs they get with mining bots, but CCP has also decided that the CCP economy NEEDS mining bots to keep mineral prices down, until they can overhaul supercap min requirements.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-11-19 21:14:41 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
I would looking through he past postings of the Nosey gamer as he has been tracking the activity o te tears of botters

At http://nosygamer.blogspot.ca/



Self explanatory why so many threads tearing about isk value in game. Needs more isk in the game, not less, let RMT tears commence.

This explains that. Heck I'm still around when I clearly shouldn't...

brb

Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
#76 - 2012-11-20 02:11:43 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Putting all those things together, maybe, just maybe, CCP has decided that not only do they like the additional subs they get with mining bots, but CCP has also decided that the CCP economy NEEDS mining bots to keep mineral prices down, until they can overhaul supercap min requirements.



Typical botter response if I'm honest. Bots ruin the game full stop.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Melvin Coulter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-11-20 02:14:57 UTC
all of you just please stop.

All we have to do is wait or SCREAM for a dev.

Move along!

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#78 - 2012-11-20 06:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Putting all those things together, maybe, just maybe, CCP has decided that not only do they like the additional subs they get with mining bots, but CCP has also decided that the CCP economy NEEDS mining bots to keep mineral prices down, until they can overhaul supercap min requirements.



Typical botter response if I'm honest. Bots ruin the game full stop.


Let's see....first you promise to grief me out of the game with bounties on my head.
Now you are stating I am a bot. I don't think honesty is something you can fathom.

Go for it. File a petition stating that this account is running bots.
CCP will be able to look at my activity in about 5 minutes and see that you are lying.

But I would expect something as cowardly from you.
Only 14 days to go *snip*. Have you started your grief fund yet against me?
Like I said in one of my posts to you, which of course you ignored, that 500M against me is not even something I will begin to worry about. You better add a zero to that before I get worried.

Cut out a mild personal attack - CCP Eterne
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
#79 - 2012-11-20 09:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Like I said in one of my posts to you, which of course you ignored, that 500M against me is not even something I will begin to worry about. You better add a zero to that before I get worried.



You should probably think a bit more about that.

A 500m bounty is enough to ensure that you can't fly anything too expensive without making it worth someone's while to kill you.

20% of your ship value is payed out, so 500m actually covers all the way up to a ship worth 2.5bil.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#80 - 2012-11-20 10:09:33 UTC
Keep things civil folks. The guys who know the numbers know this thread exists, but things are obviously very busy around the office as we ramp up to Retribution. Additionally, Sreegs is one of the main dudes running the New Eden Open.

I can't promise you anything, but I suspect they'll have more time to get answers after Retribution launches when they can properly sit down and present the information fully.

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