Intergalactic Summit

Much of what Andreus says is correct, but not, I would suggest, that there is a drop in recruiting standards in the ILF.

I would agree with him that I do not think it is profitable to argue either that the majority of of Intaki are in favour of secession, nor the reverse, and I would argue this for a number of reasons.

1) There isn't enough evidence to support either position
2) It is irrelevant to the the Suresha's argument that Roden is an illegitimate President.
3) It is irrelevant to the legitimacy of the secession argument, even though that argument does not really apply to this particular thread.

I also agree with Andreus that the presence of Mordu's Legion in Intaki has not made the system safer, however, I think it is correct to say, to quote an official of the Intaki Assembly -

I'm just not convinced on the subject of the Legion, for the moment.

You just said that Ishukone has no authority in Intaki.

I'm not sure you really want to argue that.

When a being convinced of it's omnipotence is forced to confront a factor or entity it cannot control and does not favour, it must either accept that it is not omnipotent, or conclude that the factor or entity does not exist.

Pick-and-choose Capsuleer reality is frightening.

This entire post is inaccurate on so many levels I'm not even sure where to begin.

I do suggest you check your facts and learn your history, you're doing a great dishonour to the people of Intaki if you can't be bothered to at least be knowledgeable of the facts before you start trying to talk on their behalf.

And I'm not Federal, I quite happily sit as a neutral, just one who likes to pick at terrible arguments made by either side of the fence. In this case I disagree with you and your terrible argument in the vain hope you'll at least learn something from your errors and maybe be a little more understanding of the situation you're trying to control in future.

I have addressed this in the past, but I will do so again now for the ignorant and uninformed.

The Intaki Liberation Front does not claim to represent a majority view point. We represent those capsuleer and planetary population who agree with our platform. That platform includes a two-pronged political approach. The first being to lobby the Federation Senate and Supreme Court to make changes within the system. In addition, we also actively encourage the Intaki Assembly to reassert its autonomy with an eye towards ultimately reclaiming its Sovereignty and seceding from the Federation.

An aspect of both of these approaches is to continually educate and inform everyone "within the sound of our voice" as to the reasons why we feel as we do. We've been very successful over the years in reaching people and making converts both in space and on the ground.

What I cannot understand is the intolerance that seems to consume Gallente nationalists when they are faced with the shortcomings of their government. Rather than listen and consider the opinions of others, they instead seek to silence or intimidate any dissenting voice.

I was under the impression that the Gallente model was the universe's best example of democracy. What democracy seeks to eliminate discourse? What democracy believes that minorities have no right to express their opinions?

Intolerance such as this is counterproductive to any meaningful improvements to the Federation and further evidence that people of Intaki would likely be better served by a governance outside the Federation.

Threats of violence are hardly an appropriate way of showing that my argument about the intolerance of nationalistic Gallente is incorrect.

Hawke, this form of debate is beneath you. You know what he actually means. You're better than this.

My argument was that Federal citizens were denied their basic democratic rights and as such are being governed without their consent. As this is an affront to the principles on which the Federation was founded and seriously calls into question the legitimacy of the current presidential administration, I proposed that a recall election be held.

I fail to see how that is "entirely without merit."

Do you stand for democracy and freedom or against it? If you are for, then lets have a fair and full election. If you are against, then its best the people of Intaki know who stands opposed to their liberties.

But you can't have a fair election, not 3 years into a term with the value of hindsight. The only way you'd have a truly fair election is to go back in time, break the Caldari hold on Placid and liberate the systems from STPRO control.

You've two major problems with that plan though.

We agree that the Amarr people and culture are a severe threat to the stability of the cluster. After that, our paths fork so damn wildly we're travelling in pretty much opposite directions. I've got some pretty strong views, but you? Not only are you objectively wrong most of the time, you drive away both extant and potential allies from the Federal cause simply by opening your mouth.

Your close-mindedness is disgusting and antiquated and I want nothing to do with you. If you want to make a friend of me, there's going to need to be a sea change in your ****-poor attitude.