Intergalactic Summit

Are you prepared to provide evidence that desire for autonomy is a minority position other than repeated claims that the blessed and righteous Federation is beloved by all of its people that many voices of the nationalist movement come up with these days?

Because I'd hate to think a double-standard was being applied.

Argument from ignorance, not entirely unsurprising.

I seem to be having trouble pulling up any recent polling data on President Roden's approval ratings, I will take this lack of evidence to be evidence that he must not be doing well.

"There's nothing outright saying it isn't true, so I will assume it is"

How do people actually contort themselves into these positions? Ah, to be young, again...


Well, given the fact that the last time there were major demonstrations taking place in Placid, people were brutally repressed, severed from their families, exiled and left to rot at the mercy of narcotics peddlers, I doubt your premise that lack of vocalization necessarily proves anything about people's inclinations in this regard.

Just because the exact things you listed aren't happening does not remotely advance the validity of your claims.


Appeal to Tradition.

The status quo doesn't need to be defended? I believe the only immutable law of nature I am aware of is that things can, do, and always will change. The only variable factor is time.


You haven't proven that is the surface, you've only presumptuously declared it so. That it emanated from your mouth does not make it gospel.


I believe you seem to have missed my subtle reference to reverence for the Federation as taking on aspects of zealotry that rivals the Empire, but I'll work on being more overt in the future for your benefit.

The discussion we're having is not about the wars between the empires, so I'll just let that one go.

You consider "Nationalist" to be an insult, which can't speak well of your opinion of Nationalists, then turn and declare others idiotic. I suspect if I pursued this further, we'd end up with some variation of "it isn't an insult if it is true" that would allow you to circumvent the clear case of cognitive dissonance this reveals.

I'm more of a Scotch fan, myself.

All that said, there's little purpose to this, these words have been said dozens of times over. I merely wished to demonstrate the futility of "I demand evidence" statements in this particular venue. Even when evidence is produced, those who stand to lose something will slander whoever produced it, anyways.

Not really, I could bunch several quotes of your reply here, as they all seem to revolve around the same point so I'll say this.

The Intaki majority being happy with being part of the Federation would not be considered news and as such wouldn't be reported, the opposite would. In this case absence of proof really is proof itself.

If anything were happening the news feeds would be all over it, with political commentary on either side trying to spin the story to best suit their ideals and goals. The fact that there is no story to be had can only suggest one thing, and it doesn't take a genius to work it out.



Actually the only major demonstration in Intaki history was when they poured into the polling stations and mass voted for Foiritan. The uprisings during the Caldari-Gallente war that lead to the formation of the Syndicate were minor. Roughly 5,000 people sounds a big number, but when we're talking of an entire ethnicity of a planet, it's a minority.



So what is actually happening, beyond the whole "Me and my mates" scenario I described? You've asked me for my proof, where is the proof that the majority of the Intaki wish secession from the Federation?




Then show me different, burden of proof lies with the accuser and seeing as you're pointing a finger here I'm sure you've plenty of evidence to support your side of things? As you said, we wouldn't want double standards here would we?

Scotch also works, infact most alcohol is fine with me.

Oh, and before this goes any further..

I am a long time and vocal proponent of Intaki Nationalism. Have been since before I took to the stars. I have donated weaponry and supplies of both food and medicine on numerous occasions to the Intaki Assembly and various Idama have come to know me and my efforts.

I take no insult in being called an Intaki Nationalist. I step up with pride that I am an Intaki who has neither accepted nor surrendered to Gallente Imperialism. Whether it is enforcing genocidal blockades on Syndicate Settlements or rounding up civilians for suspicions of dealings with Serpentis or Syndicate I call foul when the machinations of Gallente oppression bear down on my own kind for the sake of National Unity or Federation Victory in a pointless war.

Speak what you will, the time will come when the Caldari and Gallente empires get a dose of reality when they continue to attempt to use the Intaki as a wedge of power between their sibling rivalry complex.

Asking the Federal Navy to adhere to an old agreement when the Intaki joined the Federation is not proof of them wishing to leave the Federation.

I have some Nationalist acquaintances. They enjoy much more discreet and somber means.

Yes.

I don't know why these ILF hippies want to get rid of him, but I completely agree. IMPEACH THAT MISSILE LOVING CROOK JACQUES RODEN!

His corporation, Roden Shipyards, has stolen countless trillions of isk by collecting government research contracts and not producing one tangible improvement in Gallente hulls nor weapons in years. No hull improvements, no mods improvements - nothing. This has put our militia pilots in a very difficult position. We are either forced to fight at a severe disadvantage with Gallente hulls, or we are forced to fly other race's ships (very dishonorable).

I hear that both Creodron and Duvolle are going to announce advances in drone and blaster technology in the upcoming months. But if they don't, then I'm putting a bullseye on them too!

Sooooo, you've come back from the dead to request something I demanded three years ago, that about the sum of it, Mr. Hawke?

And you, sir, speak as if there is something inherently "good" about missiles.

And if you were allied with the Federatin Militia, you would know that having Federation designed ships and weapons are critical - especially since it is these weapons and systems we were trained to use and are supplied at reduced rates from FW agents. Using othe races' weapons and ships takes time and energy that is better suited for the warzone - not logistics.

Nothing else has worked. The Federation Military Industrial Complex, especially Roden Shipyards, should be put on notice. They have been given trillions of isk in research dollars. It is time for results now.