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Pretty sure they don't move, they don't even list a speed on their info. Overall though, I'd think sentries would be the easiest of the drones to use with the changes, as you're more likely to be near them to recall them.

CCP FoxFour-- I notice you haven't responded to people's questions regarding player ships attacking ratters in sites. Will the NPCs aggro the attacking player?

If this is the case it will need to be changed, seeing as the types of ship that are typically capable of getting a tackle on a ratter (covops, bombers, interdictors, inties, etc) are generally extremely fragile and will not be able to deal with incoming dps from both the rats and the ratter. It's already extremely difficult to grab ratters before they can warp out to a safe location, please don't make it even harder.

That's what we like to hear :)

The move 1m/sec. Which may as well be 0m/sec.

Maybe the reason that npcs target carrier drones like no ones business is because of the change of npcs targeting appropriate size targets to themselves. The Carrier has a huge sigh radius compare to fighters and sentries maybe they prefer them over the carrier itself?

This is a concern of mine as well. Level 5 missions have been a primary source of income for me for years. They have loads of frigate/fighter npc's and some nasty towers in them. With it all applied to a carrier, it's reasonable but if it gets tossed on your drones you're just screwed. They suddenly become impossible to solo for anything but a tengu/rattlesnake. And honestly, we really need to get away from the tengu/rattler being the last word for anything pve. All races need to be equally viable at all levels.

Thinking of which, some consistency needs to be added to lvl5's. Lvl1's are clearly intended for frigates/dessies, lvl2's for dessies and cruisers and so on up to lvl4's with t3's and BS's. But at lvl5 it falls apart. Some are clearly designed to be solo'd by carriers while others are gated and require a hauler + codebreaker + tank/dps. The carrier ones are fine, some of the gated are ok too (convoy attack for instance) but others are completely impractical to run.

Yeah, if you want to wipe out high sec it is the right track.

Reposting this here, I don't know whether you read this thread or the other one for feedback.



You have accepted it as "OK"? Catching a ratter in an anom relies 100% on the ratter not to be paying attention - it takes at minimum 20 seconds after spiking local to scan down and land on grid with a ratter - and now you want to make it so even if you do get tackle in an interceptor, you're going to have to also hope the ratter killed all the frigates? Really, the odds were already skewed heavily in the null bears favor, and now you are basically deeming it OK to destroy an entire play-style.

That's without mentioning people who like soloing in stealth bombers (of which there are a lot) which you basically just said "yeah well **** you guys I like PvE more, get a friend or a bigger ship" to.

I don't know why you think its okay to do this.

The corp I'm in will basically have to recreate itself or die if this goes through, since all we do is being destroyed by the whimsical changes of a dev who doesn't care for a particular style of play.

On another note, why would Sansha start shooting at someone who was quite clearly helping them? That's stupid.

I thought id post here as myself and many people i know made iskies doing lvl 5's so I thought if i posted fits / fleet concepts it may help you devs with testing it all

over the years ive seen many concepts used to do lvl 5's

solo carrier > can do some of em but ive seen about 5 die in the harder missions as they have so many hard to kill neuting batteries

dual carrier/ passive tank ship + carrier > can do any mission it can access at present as the tank ship will be passive tanked and can take being neuted

rr domi + maelstrom pair > maelstrom tanks it and gets neuted the domi keeps it alive as minni guns dont use cap the maelstrom also does dps

2 abbadon with cap booster and a relay fit guardian to transfer energy and rep > can happily do any mission as long as its specifically tanked

passive rattlesnake + dps ship and logi > a good rattler fit can tank most missions and a shiny fit with shield hardwirings siege mindlink and gang bonuses can tank anything. As it does <500 dps it needs dps ships there otherwise its more efficient to do lvl 4's in highsec for iskies and its usually easier to have a logi on field so that you dont need a shiny fit rattler.

Passive tanked loki/tengu + dps ships > works well if the fit is shiney on the tank t3

dps ships are usually whatever is available from t1 bs to pirate faction bs and marauders nightmares navy scorps and vargurs being popular

Generally you need 3 players/chars to do a lvl 5 in any speed 1 dps ship one tank ship and a logistics or second dps ship

The hard part of lvl 5's is not generally the dps its the neuting batteries that are a killer 5 neuting battery III's are not only pretty hard to kill (high ehp) but they will neut out any ship in very short order.

Although it should be noted that most people have stopped running lvl 5's now as 80% of the mission reward is in lp and the market has crashed as its more efficient to do FW plexes in a t1 frigate for more LP :s

Yeah i know i sound bitter about the LP changes i love FW i just wish the lowsec pirates got some help rather than a dual nerf to making iskies here (LP nerf and L5 nerf)