Intergalactic Summit

As I said, the issue is debatable. Nevertheless, while special interest groups are always welcome to present their opinions, the Senate needs to listen to everyone, not just selected few. One must try to avoid reliance on a distorted view of the actual circumstances. Apparently, this time the side which was lobbying in favour of the voting rights removal was stronger and had more convincing arguments. Still, there is no reason to be bitter against them. While the outcome of the political process may be unpleasant at times, we must see that it is the way of the democracy. The success and prosperity our society enjoys has been created through open and friendly dialog, not through bitterness and hate.

I also continue to salute the bravery and noble spirit of the people of Placid during the Caldari occupation. All those who remain loyal to the Federation through difficult times, all those who are willing to put aside their personal gain on behalf of the common good, they are the ones whose story should be printed on all children's textbooks. Those people are the real heroes and role models, they deserve our admiration and their contributions should not go unnoticed.

The principles of democracy would have been more severely violated if our enemy of war had been able to manipulate the results. This would not have just insulted the abstract principles but posed a real, concrete threat against the very foundations of our society.

Since our president didn't have much background in politics before the elections, there's no way he could have somehow contributed to the Placid voting rights adjustment. He has won the support and love of the overwhelming majority of people through his vision, competence and hard work, and to call him a 'tyrant' is just offending.

I have a high respect for the views of the Federal defence forces. Those of them with whom I've discussed do not advocate the 'right' of the enemy to manipulate our elections and threaten our way of life. I'm willing to admit that it would have been interesting to see what kind of effect the Placid votes would have had on the elections, but under the circumstances present at the time, this would have undermined the whole institution of democracy, the one that those in uniform are sworn to defend.

By emphasizing the uncertainty in my estimates, I was precisely pointing out that the best that anyone can do with regard to the long past elections is just speculation. Those calling for new elections can also be seen thinking wishfully that it would lead to a different outcome.

Speculation is not a substitute for elections. There is always a need for new elections when their time comes. However, the proper time is not now when the President has just started his term of service.

When it comes to objective facts, news agencies are a good source of information but regarding matters of interpretation and opinion, there is no reason why an individual should not think about these things by themselves. Knowledge should not be confused with understanding.

The communications blackout that the Caldari forces imposed on many of the worlds they occupied would have precluded any srt of vote even had the Senate not voted to block the Placid region from the Presidential elections. The Caldari would have likely blocked any attempt at communication entirely, or alternatively, communicated false results that benefited themselves. Elections, let alone fair elections, were impossible under such circumstances, and the Federation is not to blame for this fact.

Perhaps if the Intaki Liberation Front had put aside its differences and aided the FDU against the invading forces, we would not be having this conversation.

Great, so we do that and hypothetically Roden wins a new 5 year term, which not only has extended his time in office, but breaks the law that no President can run twice. So to recover one issue in history, you want to break another law?

Alternatively realise that in a few years time there will be elections and all things hoping, all members of the Federation will be able to vote. Digging up the past in matters like this is pointless and serves little purpose. Make your voice heard next time, and if you want to make sure that's going to happen then I suggest fight for your right to vote if the STPRO forces attempt to retake your system.

An election flawed by unfortunate circumstances and unfortunate neccessity. A new President had to be elected. The Federation could not wait for the (at the time) lacklustre and unreliable FDU to liberate these systems - an election had to be held, with or without the occupied worlds. There was really no choice if the Federation wanted to survive in its present state.



Actually, the circumstances that forced the Federation's hand are still in motion. We are still at war, and Harroule and Esesier are both under occupation; both systems, incidentally, containing temperate, settled planets. Federation colonies are still under illegitimate State occupation. Literally every day, the Caldari, still under the sway of a Provist tyranny that cares nothing for the people of Placid other than what profit they can deliver, attempt to extend their reach into our space.

We're still at war, Saxon, and to be fair, the occupation and the events it precipitated were directly responsible for the collapse of Souro Foiritan's administration, which required the emergency elections in the first place. Again, if the FDU had had more assistance in repelling the invasion, we would never be having this conversation in the first place.



I would hope you are aware that in almost any legal system, the repeal of a law or governmental act does not neccessarily retroactively negate or illegitimise decisions made while it was in effect, the same way a new law prohibiting something does not neccessarily allow for the retroactive prosecution of those who undertook this activity before it was illegal.

Hm. Not quite my area here, so speaking mostly as an outsider:

Roden pulled 58.7% of the votes, with the closest runner-up hitting 31.2%. I seriously doubt that the inclusion of the war zone worlds - 47 low-sec systems of 388 systems in the Federation - would have out-weighted such a difference, even if all of them had voted for Aguard. And indeed, the main effect the relevant Scope article seems to indicate is that Roden wouldn't have had an "outright majority". ( http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3608&tid=4 )

Now I'm rather uninformed about the Federal law system, but I don't think this would have changed Roden's precidency. Could one of the Federate pilots give a short explanation on what exactly this "outright majority" or the lack thereof means?

As for the current situation, I think it's rather unfortunate that these people did not get a vote in this election. On the other hand, it seems it wouldn't have had a major effect, and going for a re-vote now would cause a lot of expenses and work that's likely better used elsewhere (you do have this war thing going on), and a change in government always delays and hampers ongoing governmental work. As it's just a bit over 3 years until the next election, I understand the desire to not put in these expenses and just wait until it's officially happening anyhow.

I'm fairly certain that the presidential election in and of itself, neccessarily being a single-winner election for a single post (and therefore not using any form of proportional representation) would require only a plurality - i.e. more votes than any other single candidate. Not having a simple majority (i.e. over 50% of the vote) probably wouldn't matter as long as no had single candidate had more votes than you. Any candidate obtaining over 50% of the vote will, by simple mathematics, be the winner.

Perhaps you could point me to when exactly it became an "ideal" of the Federation to deny the right to choose one's representatives?



Someone who's opening remark decried hyperbole might want to avoid engaging in so many of them.

I've not noticed any deviation in the Suresha's grievances with the Federation.

Besides, a fellow politician decrying the idea of looking at the situation that exists and pattering their message to resonate with issues that are most pressing in that moment? That's lunacy...and the second example of hypocrisy you've managed to demonstrate for us.

My dear friend Mr. Octirant, I have so enjoyed running laps around you as you twist yourself into a knotted heap all of my career.



Ahh, so now we are beneath even being human, well, it is little wonder you had not qualms with cutting us apart from you like dead weight when it might possibly be that you were to be personally inconvenienced. For one who so often speaks of our need for solidarity, I wonder what is your position on the idea of throwing fellow Federal citizens under the bus to save one's own skin?

I await your (undoubtedly patronizing) response.



"Terrorist group"

"disgrace"

"scheme"

"refuse"

Well, I suppose I should at least congratulate you on being consistent, 3 paragraphs, 3 times over a hypocrite.

The worst thing of everything you say Alain is that you are part of the Nationalist Party in Democratic Federation!
Also be sure that Hawke will not be alone if you try to block him...

This whole dribble is laughable, to use nicer words for once.

This kind of Imperialist propaganda coming out of the pie holes of Gallente Nationalist is probably a good reason the Intaki Assembly told you to lower the eagle and leave. The Federation is not wanted by the Intaki of Placid. Deal with it and stop trying to convince the capsuleers otherwise.