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Some dumb miners just don't learn

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-07-21 02:59:32 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
stuff

You also forget to account for the loss of ISK due to them no longer mining.

So not only does mining make pitiful isk, if you do it afk and get ganked, you end up losing not only the ship(s) but also from not being able to mine (plus implants if the ganker goes back).

Thanks for condensing all that for me.
@ Fabulous Rod: Show me the math where a miner can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec.
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#122 - 2012-07-21 06:14:25 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
stuff

You also forget to account for the loss of ISK due to them no longer mining.

So not only does mining make pitiful isk, if you do it afk and get ganked, you end up losing not only the ship(s) but also from not being able to mine (plus implants if the ganker goes back).

Thanks for condensing all that for me.
@ Fabulous Rod: Show me the math where a miner can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec.


Hey.. if he shows how miners can make "craploads of isk" mining afk in highsec, even after factoring in suicide ganks..
Shouldn't that be a good reason to make afk mining riskier?

I don't think you should be able to make "craploads of isk" (again .. starting to hate this formulation) by "playing" afk at all, no matter what activity.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#123 - 2012-07-21 07:03:46 UTC
Serena Serene wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
stuff

You also forget to account for the loss of ISK due to them no longer mining.

So not only does mining make pitiful isk, if you do it afk and get ganked, you end up losing not only the ship(s) but also from not being able to mine (plus implants if the ganker goes back).

Thanks for condensing all that for me.
@ Fabulous Rod: Show me the math where a miner can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec.


Hey.. if he shows how miners can make "craploads of isk" mining afk in highsec, even after factoring in suicide ganks..
Shouldn't that be a good reason to make afk mining riskier?

I don't think you should be able to make "craploads of isk" (again .. starting to hate this formulation) by "playing" afk at all, no matter what activity.


Here's the way I see it. The pair featured in this thread we ganked twice lost over a billion in 1 day. I'm no expert at market prices, but I figure that even if you mined with 2 Hulks @ a rate of 20mil ISK/hr per hulk for 18hrs a day, which is probably being overly gratuitous, I effectively set him back 1.3 days worth of work, plus the ISK lost on his subscription for that day if he is buying PLEX with the ISK he made. Time is money.

If you're mining for 18 hours a day you are likely unemployed or botting. With that in mind, if you are employed or aren't one of the lucky few who can play while at work, it's unlikely you'll be mining for 18hrs a day. That ganking them eats in to their profits even more because subscription time in Eve = ISK or Real Cash. To be honest, I really couldn't care how much their making or not making. I only care how much I'm making plus the fun of making internet-spaceships turn into pretty blue nuclear detonations.

And Rod, even though you don't even deserve a response, I will give you this last one. Your conjecture and your failed attempts at armchair psychoanalysis is not only incorrect but entirely laughable. I am a very content person, have a great job, good friends, hell...even donate to charities. One thing I do know about psychology is that people people often accuse others of doing or being the very thing they are themselves. In your case, it would be butthurt. Nobody would put in nearly as much energy as you into such terrible sh#tposts trying to attack another individual unless they were fairly infuriated by that persons actions. Also, keep in mind I never started attacking you personally until you attacked me. I truly believe everyone has noticed that and your true colors are as obvious as can possibly be. A butthurt miner who can't stand the fact that he can be surprise buttsexed at anytime, anywhere.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#124 - 2012-07-21 07:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyella Stormborn
Daemon Ceed wrote:

If you're mining for 18 hours a day you are likely unemployed or botting. With that in mind, if you are employed or aren't one of the lucky few who can play while at work, it's unlikely you'll be mining for 18hrs a day.



Lol, I only wish. I could see it now: *Has perp across the hood and handcuffed* "Hey, SIT STILL a minute, I need to switch asteroids". Would definitely make things more interesting at work. Big smile

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly

Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#125 - 2012-07-21 07:57:46 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

If you're mining for 18 hours a day you are likely unemployed or botting. With that in mind, if you are employed or aren't one of the lucky few who can play while at work, it's unlikely you'll be mining for 18hrs a day.



Lol, I only wish. I could see it now: *Has perp across the hood and handcuffed* "Hey, SIT STILL a minute, I need to switch asteroids". Would definitely make things more interesting at work. Big smile


I LOL'd.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#126 - 2012-07-21 14:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Astroniomix wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

You, however, are not the breed of miner I am after. My prey is the absent, uninvolved and completely incompetent run of the mill miner in Eve. .



You mean the guy who makes craploads more isk than you while afk? I wouldn't even care about losing a hulk that I could so effortlessly replace.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want", so why are you so butthurt about the way they play?

He isn't butthurt, he is pointing out that the smart people seldom get taken out by him (because they move out of the way when he shows up) and the ones that do usualy learn how to not get caught again.

And as for making craploads more than he does, this simply isn't true. It's possilbe to make upwards of 30 mill off of a single hulk kill. Assuming the loot/salvage faries hate you and you only manage to pocket about 15-20 mill per hulk, and a single character can gank at LEAST one hulk every 20 minutes. the profit potential for killing a hulk is much greater than flying it in highsec.


QFT. My typical profit per Hulk is over ~35mil, give or take. Gotten lucky on my last gank and got 3 Intact Armor plates + 2 Power Circuits. That plus Strip Miner II's make for a nice take home, and I most of the time I get 1/2-3/4's of my T1 guns back. So yes, farming afk miners is very profitable. It easily allows for a sustainable ganking campaign.

I was underplaying it a bit. Note the part where I said "upwards of 30 mill" And I'm not sure how you can make "craploads" of isk mining in highsec. Highsec ore's aren't worth a whole lot and mining in general is fairly poor in terms of isk/hour. The tradeoff being it is less involved (at its core) than most other income sources.


actually, right now scordite is the 2nd or 3rd most profitable ore believe it or not. My buddy Guy Cutler ends up making about 100-150 mil an hour mining high sec ores nearly effortlessly, depending on the price of rigs. You can ask him yourself.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#127 - 2012-07-21 15:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Daemon Ceed wrote:

douchebag and proud


I just think its so funny that you created an unimpressive brag thread where you are trying to appear clever but clown yourself by using words you don't even understand, accuse miners of being dumb, when really, they did everything anyone might do to combat suicide gankers, they fit tanks, you got more people to waste their time, and the next time it happened they moved. Its obvious to me that you are some deranged individual who gets off on simply being a douchebag to anyone you can. Happy, content people don't do stuff like this. The subconcious is a powerful thing and that is why they say actions speak louder than words, your words are really meaningless. Also, we know know its not nearly as profitable as you try to make it out to be, nor as fun. Its also pretty funny how you get on alts to praiseyourself, Lol Who does that? Kids like yourself who are butthurt at the world and spend all their time trying to annoy others are really the most pathetic of people. Its no wonder your social life is restricted to a video game.

For the number of times you would get randomly suicide ganked in a month, mining afk in a hulk is totally worth it. Theres nothing dumb about being a miner. However, it is dumb to pat yourself on the back for ganking them, being that it is so simply and without risk, and really, not very profitable at all considering all the prep work and the isk you could be making with 3 ppl.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want" and then you criticize miners for how they play.

Basically, you are just an all-around fool and clown and I just think its fun to point that out to your face in your own brag thread. I'm a pvper and I like to pvp, the difference is that I like to put the douchebags in their place when I pvp rather than just go around looking for random people to annoy. It's more fun to fuk with butthurt angsty derps who actually deserve to be curbstomped, like Deamon. Its a sense of justice breing brought as well. I like a challenge, poor deamon probably isn't used to pvp where people fight back. Whats is more satisfying, gloating over a victory where your egotistical opponent actually tried to fight back and lost in a fair fight or gloating over the fact you shot some fish in a barrel? I think that answer is obvious.

just in case you missed it Blink

Airto TLA wrote:
The one grat irony of this whole post/issue is the gankers thump their chest about the bad carebears ruining the game, having it to easy, making money for free, being lazy, doing repetive tasks for maney, etc. But, ganking hulks in catalysts pretty much fulfils all of those items as well.

Look I have nothing against ganking hulks, but after the third time it was pretty much the same as mining, hop in ship head out for pretty much predetermined result. Gankers pretty much hide from real PVP by using hi sec mechanics, to allow them to pod move and drop a ship when needed.

Look if you are a ganker and want to kill a carebear, hop in a ship self destruct and then pod yourself, one deadd bear.

I really blame CCP for this since real PVP rarely occurs in this game, we have BVP (blob vs player),Pvp(Player vs player who has no chance to fight back, only victory is escape) , and hte occasional BvB. The PVPers get bored and turn theur rage on the peeps whe really just like the crafting system .

Tl, DR version - Just because you can gank it does not make you intersting, good or better than the minor you blew up, you are a bear just like them, have a nice day.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-07-21 15:40:44 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

douchebag and proud


I just think its so funny that you created an unimpressive brag thread where you are trying to appear clever but clown yourself by using words you don't even understand, accuse miners of being dumb, when really, they did everything anyone might do to combat suicide gankers, they fit tanks, you got more people to waste their time, and the next time it happened they moved. Its obvious to me that you are some deranged individual who gets off on simply being a douchebag to anyone you can. Happy, content people don't do stuff like this. The subconcious is a powerful thing and that is why they say actions speak louder than words, your words are really meaningless. Also, we know know its not nearly as profitable as you try to make it out to be, nor as fun. Its also pretty funny how you get on alts to praiseyourself, Lol Who does that? Kids like yourself who are butthurt at the world and spend all their time trying to annoy others are really the most pathetic of people. Its no wonder your social life is restricted to a video game.

For the number of times you would get randomly suicide ganked in a month, mining afk in a hulk is totally worth it. Theres nothing dumb about being a miner. However, it is dumb to pat yourself on the back for ganking them, being that it is so simply and without risk, and really, not very profitable at all considering all the prep work and the isk you could be making with 3 ppl.

Your sig says "play however the hell you want" and then you criticize miners for how they play.

Basically, you are just an all-around fool and clown and I just think its fun to point that out to your face in your own brag thread. I'm a pvper and I like to pvp, the difference is that I like to put the douchebags in their place when I pvp rather than just go around looking for random people to annoy. It's more fun to fuk with butthurt angsty derps who actually deserve to be curbstomped, like Deamon. Its a sense of justice breing brought as well. I like a challenge, poor deamon probably isn't used to pvp where people fight back. Whats is more satisfying, gloating over a victory where your egotistical opponent actually tried to fight back and lost in a fair fight or gloating over the fact you shot some fish in a barrel? I think that answer is obvious.

just in case you missed it Blink

Airto TLA wrote:
The one grat irony of this whole post/issue is the gankers thump their chest about the bad carebears ruining the game, having it to easy, making money for free, being lazy, doing repetive tasks for maney, etc. But, ganking hulks in catalysts pretty much fulfils all of those items as well.

Look I have nothing against ganking hulks, but after the third time it was pretty much the same as mining, hop in ship head out for pretty much predetermined result. Gankers pretty much hide from real PVP by using hi sec mechanics, to allow them to pod move and drop a ship when needed.

Look if you are a ganker and want to kill a carebear, hop in a ship self destruct and then pod yourself, one deadd bear.

I really blame CCP for this since real PVP rarely occurs in this game, we have BVP (blob vs player),Pvp(Player vs player who has no chance to fight back, only victory is escape) , and hte occasional BvB. The PVPers get bored and turn theur rage on the peeps whe really just like the crafting system .

Tl, DR version - Just because you can gank it does not make you intersting, good or better than the minor you blew up, you are a bear just like them, have a nice day.

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#129 - 2012-07-21 15:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Astroniomix wrote:

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.



ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that Smile

read above, I edited to provide name of the player. You can bring yourself out of ignorance.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-07-21 15:54:20 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.



ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that Smile

Still not seeing in math being done over there.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#131 - 2012-07-21 15:56:13 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
blah blah alts...

You still have yet to provide proof of any alts.

You sound much like a cynical chicken little...
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#132 - 2012-07-21 15:56:49 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.



ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that Smile

Still not seeing in math being done over there.


see if my friend wants to waste his time, I don't care to enlighten you on the profits of rig production.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#133 - 2012-07-21 15:58:04 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.



ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that Smile

Still not seeing in math being done over there.


see if my friend wants to waste his time, I don't care to enlighten you on the profits of rig production.

Thats not mining, thats manufacturing.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-07-21 16:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Astroniomix
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.



ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that Smile

Still not seeing in math being done over there.


see if my friend wants to waste his time, I don't care to enlighten you on the profits of rig production.

Actualy rig production is what I do. Becuase you use salvage for that. You can't get salvage from asteroids. So; congradulations on understanding EVE mechanics.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#135 - 2012-07-21 16:01:14 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
blah blah alts...

You still have yet to provide proof of any alts.

You sound much like a cynical chicken little...


just look at the post history and the way he talks, it should be pretty obvious. Damn, you are dumb.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#136 - 2012-07-21 16:02:50 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Actualy I'd wager he posted this thread to bait idiots like you into abusing the word "subconcious". Also you still haven't shown any math in regards to how much a miner can make per hour. So untill then I'm going to assume it's around 15 mill/hour.



ah yes, the reaction of an angry derp that lacks any basis in reality. thank you for that Smile

Still not seeing in math being done over there.


see if my friend wants to waste his time, I don't care to enlighten you on the profits of rig production.

Actualy rig production is what I do. Becuase you use salvage for that. You can't get salvage from asteroids. So; congradulations on understanding EVE mechanics.


its just one assumption after another with you, isn't it? Lol

you derps make this way too easy.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-07-21 16:04:19 UTC

Watch closely, I'm about to win this argument.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#138 - 2012-07-21 16:06:22 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
blah blah alts...

You still have yet to provide proof of any alts.

You sound much like a cynical chicken little...


just look at the post history and the way he talks, it should be pretty obvious. Damn, you are dumb.

That's supposition, not proof.

The same supposition that makes someone think you are a teenager with an axe to grind about gankers. Along with some personal issues.

Both are equally stupid assumptions.



About as useful as sand in Africa.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#139 - 2012-07-21 16:07:44 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
...
Actualy rig production is what I do. Becuase you use salvage for that. You can't get salvage from asteroids. So; congradulations on understanding EVE mechanics.


its just one assumption after another with you, isn't it? Lol

you derps make this way too easy.

Assumption?

Fact: rig making uses salvage
Fact: salvage does not come from roids


Where is the assumption?
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-07-21 16:08:21 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
blah blah alts...

You still have yet to provide proof of any alts.

You sound much like a cynical chicken little...


just look at the post history and the way he talks, it should be pretty obvious. Damn, you are dumb.

That's supposition, not proof.

The same supposition that makes someone think you are a teenager with an axe to grind about gankers. Along with some personal issues.

Both are equally stupid assumptions.



About as useful as sand in Africa.

Did you know that Africa is paying top dollar for sand right now?