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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Danfen Fenix
#21 - 2012-07-12 09:38:30 UTC
Up until...yesterday really...for me it was

a. not sure I was doing things right
b. Don't want to lose anything really expensive 'yet'
c. My implants P


a few suicidal destroyer fleets yesterday though, as well as some lost frigates, and the loss of my pod (and thus no implants/now an empty clone)... I really couldn't care anymore as long as my ships I use are cheap Lol I know now if I lose a ship, I can replace it easily. If I lose my pod, I'll be back in the station ready to get in another ship.

But yeah, imo a lot of it is probably due to people worried about losing anything 'expensive' (or...costs racking up P), and learning implants...
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#22 - 2012-07-12 09:38:38 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Subscriptions to other games where PvP is free and is just one button away.


So, games where victory is meaningless and combat is about as exciting as watching Iron Chef.
Dave Stark
#23 - 2012-07-12 09:43:13 UTC
jump clone cooldown.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#24 - 2012-07-12 09:43:33 UTC
Ms Kat wrote:
Why pvp against aliances with unlimited backing who see thier ships as "throw away" with full reimbursement offered????

For fun.

Ms Kat wrote:
The whole jump clone system is jsut bad!!

It keeps the game fun and not tedious.

Ms Kat wrote:
Implants and training time jsut bad!!

Implants have some issues sure, but training time is a necessity for people to have goals to work towards. Also, the passive training system is easily EVE's strongest feature - I prefer being able to play a game on my own terms and maintain a life, rather than have to dump all of my free time into a game just to stay competitive.

Ms Kat wrote:
Lag/Bugs and the logs showing nothing!!

Every game has bugs, and TiDi works wonders for lag.

Ms Kat wrote:
CCP KILLING all fun pvp ships and making us all fly 1 beuge brick with civilian gattling guns

How can you complain about training time and then about t1 ships being buffed in the same post?
Nathan Ernaga
Applesauce Brigade
#25 - 2012-07-12 09:47:01 UTC
Fitted frigs cost one lvl 4 mission. So you don't rage over few mil. isk loss Big smile

If you have in your hands the key to the fulfillment of your life's ambition and superiority over most, if you are aware that there is an absolute power on hand (just over the basic moral principles) how far are you willing to go and through what you are willing to tread?
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-12 09:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Dave Stark
#27 - 2012-07-12 09:49:02 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...


if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-07-12 09:51:24 UTC
PvP in EVE is never fair? No, really? EVE isn't fair period. You can trade in a market and turn a huge profit but you're still playing on somebody else's terms unless you ARE the Market.

I'm honestly not massively concerned if people want to PvP or not. All ways of playing are valid.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-12 09:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...


if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.


I'm not really trained for Frigates. It is all Battlecruisers and up. Anyhow, even if I were to fly Frigates it would still leave my Pod at risk and as such my Implants.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#30 - 2012-07-12 09:55:09 UTC
I started PvPing very early, went in 0.0 in a T1 fitted Rupture.

But then my time became very scarce, while EvE PvP is not really "casual friendly". Even in a small roam it'd take up to 30 mins to get all ready to leave home, then 1 hour between hopping 20-30 "hostile" (read: empty) systems before finding 2-3 guys willing to fight back. Then 1 hour to get back home (logging off in the middle of hostile sov tends to hurt).

I could go RvB but that's PvP for PvP sake, not a plan to do something long time, something great.

Plus there's this factor that I love in other PvP games: they rely on fast communication, terrain conquer while kiting / using terrain features / collision both between players and environment. In EvE all you get is an interface mostly made for a lol clicker, collision is minimal and limited to "collision spheres", line of sight and strategic placement are a wish most of the time.

So, limited time to play + not engaging PvP mechanics and controls = I play other PvP games.

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Dave Stark
#31 - 2012-07-12 09:55:46 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...


if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.


I'm not really trained for Frigates. It is all Battlecruisers and up. Anyhow, even if I were to fly Frigates it would still leave my Pod at risk and as such my Implants.


you can get a racial frigate to IV in what, 2 maybe 3 days?
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-07-12 09:57:12 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...


if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.


I'm not really trained for Frigates. It is all Battlecruisers and up. Anyhow, even if I were to fly Frigates it would still leave my Pod at risk and as such my Implants.


you can get a racial frigate to IV in what, 2 maybe 3 days?



Your point being?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Dave Stark
#33 - 2012-07-12 09:58:19 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...


if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.


I'm not really trained for Frigates. It is all Battlecruisers and up. Anyhow, even if I were to fly Frigates it would still leave my Pod at risk and as such my Implants.


you can get a racial frigate to IV in what, 2 maybe 3 days?



Your point being?


it's a weak excuse.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-12 10:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
I like how you just ignore the second part of my reason. But I don't expect you to get it, you're in TEST. You probably get implants and stuff delivered on a silver platter.

Anyway, I'm not here to take crap from you. The OP asked for my reason, I gave it.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-07-12 10:00:23 UTC
Time and skill mostly.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#36 - 2012-07-12 10:05:00 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.

I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.

And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...


if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.


I'm not really trained for Frigates. It is all Battlecruisers and up. Anyhow, even if I were to fly Frigates it would still leave my Pod at risk and as such my Implants.


1) You can't get skills up to par for a BC / BS without getting frigate relevant skills up to par along the way. T2 guns require smaller T2 skills, all core skills are applicable to all ships, etc.

2) Don't PvP in a clone that has implants. Only the rich and stupid do so.
Dave Stark
#37 - 2012-07-12 10:05:01 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I like how you just ignore the second part of my reason. But I don't expect you to get it, you're in TEST. You probably get implants and stuff delivered on a silver platter.

Anyway, I'm not here to take crap from you. The OP asked for my reason, I gave it.


i didn't ignore it, i just chose not to comment on it. there's a difference. implants is a reason why i don't pvp as much as i should (mainly for inconvenience than cost).

then again, you probably don't understand that just because i'm in test doesn't mean i get free ships thrown at me. i've never had a single ship reimbursed in nullsec regardless of what corp or alliance i've been in. not a single time.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#38 - 2012-07-12 10:07:24 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


then again, you probably don't understand that just because i'm in test doesn't mean i get free ships thrown at me. i've never had a single ship reimbursed in nullsec regardless of what corp or alliance i've been in. not a single time.


In about a year and a half in TEST, I've had 2 ships reimbursed.

It's pretty hard to lose a ship in fleet warfare when you tend to be on the winning side, know when to broadcast for reps, and know when to align out away from the fleet.

Also, AFAIK, only Goonswarm reimburses solo PvP losses.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#39 - 2012-07-12 10:12:42 UTC
I started playing thinking I would play this game for pvp, thought it seems the sheer amount of other things to do have kept me subbed. From what I've seen I'm not interested in blob fests at all, did that in other games and it bored me the same. The type of personal pvp I prefer seems rare and one spends more time looking for it then actually doing it. As they say in this game if it's fair, your doing it wrong. Though I cant see taking pride in a win when you simply overwhelm the opposing player/team number wise. So mix this with the cost and it just doesn't peek my interest much.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-07-12 10:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


then again, you probably don't understand that just because i'm in test doesn't mean i get free ships thrown at me. i've never had a single ship reimbursed in nullsec regardless of what corp or alliance i've been in. not a single time.


In about a year and a half in TEST, I've had 2 ships reimbursed.

It's pretty hard to lose a ship in fleet warfare when you tend to be on the winning side, know when to broadcast for reps, and know when to align out away from the fleet.

Also, AFAIK, only Goonswarm reimburses solo PvP losses.


We get peacetime reimbursement rates for small gang/solo. Granted there arent as many potential players to reimburse than in test.

Jax Bederen wrote:
I started playing thinking I would play this game for pvp, thought it seems the sheer amount of other things to do have kept me subbed. From what I've seen I'm not interested in blob fests at all, did that in other games and it bored me the same. The type of personal pvp I prefer seems rare and one spends more time looking for it then actually doing it. As they say in this game if it's fair, your doing it wrong. Though I cant see taking pride in a win when you simply overwhelm the opposing player/team number wise. So mix this with the cost and it just doesn't peek my interest much.


Large scale alliances and small scale pvp arent mutually exclusive. At the moment in delve ive taken part in more small scale stuff than i ever have.