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More FW changes on SiSi

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Shadows Of The Federation
#641 - 2012-05-12 22:31:16 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Honestly between Gals & Caldari we live in one of the best locations in the game to randomly roam null sec and I've always been amazed more don't do it.



We do from time to time, but usually we have a problem with ppl beeing used to fly around in low with HG sets and stuff so we kinda have to give them advanced warning to have clone jump available. While Syndicate seems to be more active in US TZ, which doesn;t suit us really well, we found the whole CR - PB area to be delicious, and started frequenting it quite often. I strongly reccomend FA for a visit, if you give them numbers advantage , they will bring a fight.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#642 - 2012-05-13 01:11:51 UTC
What we have to look forward too now is worse stagnation in FW then we had before.

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Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
#643 - 2012-05-13 02:16:09 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
What we have to look forward too now is worse stagnation in FW then we had before.



The joy !!!
Jimmy Nickson
The Lucky Star
#644 - 2012-05-13 02:34:40 UTC
Lord Azeroth wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
What we have to look forward too now is worse stagnation in FW then we had before.



The joy !!!


Indeed, so puzzle pirates anyone? j/k'ing.... but I do see fw going to be pirate warfare zone instead of faction warfare zone now Lol
Fire ze missiles!
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#645 - 2012-05-13 03:56:49 UTC
your all a bunch of whiny btchs

Wait and see. FW will be more active then ever.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#646 - 2012-05-13 06:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
Silence iKillYouu wrote:


Wait and see.


How about NO.

Im sick of that "wait and see line." I have seen so many games and MMOs die because the fanbase took this stance. After so many horrible games this year and decisions by game companies this year that make CCPs INFERNO launch honestly look amazingly good by comparison that "WAIT AND SEE" approach is complete rubbish now. Its got no legs anymore.

Most of use are savvy enough or work with games and know when something is a bad Idea.

I have yet to see anything good from taking that type of stance on anything.

Im looking not at the short term this new stuff will give us. Im also looking at the end game. And also the new freaking entry barriers that this type of crap puts in place on the newer players is crazy. Its so unfriendly too new players entering the action its not even funny.

Im a fan of good solid gameplay good solid stuff that encourages people to take risks. Like good rewards for plexing and or fighting. And this is not it. This is utter crap and poorly thought out endgame content all over it.

CONSEQUENCES, yeah ok the this is a pretty shallow argument as taking a ship out and fighting with it is consequence enough. If CCP things docking games are a problem they should make the aggression timers longer. There is your consequence.

A better idea to create more actiong was to give FW players better insurance payouts for losing ships in FW space. Rememeber how many larger fights there were when losing a BS thanks to insurance wasn't that bad. I say they should have approached FW with carrots not sticks. They should be doing things that make people say, HEY let me take out my ship. Not have people move their stuff to Highsec for safety.


EDIT:
And the real problem here is that the stuff we learned about at fanfest was more then likely under way in some stage of development. And that is honestly way to late for those of us hearing about it for the first time to really get our teeth into it and see how it tastes. Or how it works in action. Or to say hey CCP dont waste man hours and money on bad ideas.

When it comes down to it we are still in the discussion stage of it as players. While CCP is already seemingly full bore ahead on it. With the feeling they are now doing something with FW just to say they did something without a full real consideration of what the FW community really wants and needs then to work on. They just decided to slap NULL sec concepts onto FW and that is just wrong.

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#647 - 2012-05-13 06:47:04 UTC
What we are getting is FW as seen through the eyes of null .. since changes are 99% identical to the Fanfest presentation it must have been planned based on feedback from the pure null CSM .. in that light it is understandable that it reeks of what "they know".
Sad part is that it means the Devs responsible for it also has no experience with/in FW if they have leaned so heavily on the 'knowledge' of the CSM (and probably their beloved metrics).

Increasing insurance payouts for ships lost in FW space ... hmmmm. Actually a pretty nifty idea, proper pirates would come around more often and tedious ISK gathering to sustain the war effort would be marginalized .. I think I like that Smile
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#648 - 2012-05-13 07:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
What we are getting is FW as seen through the eyes of null .. since changes are 99% identical to the Fanfest presentation it must have been planned based on feedback from the pure null CSM .. in that light it is understandable that it reeks of what "they know".
Sad part is that it means the Devs responsible for it also has no experience with/in FW if they have leaned so heavily on the 'knowledge' of the CSM (and probably their beloved metrics).

Increasing insurance payouts for ships lost in FW space ... hmmmm. Actually a pretty nifty idea, proper pirates would come around more often and tedious ISK gathering to sustain the war effort would be marginalized .. I think I like that Smile



Yeah we used to have better fights back when people in fw could easily replace lost ships. Ships lost in FW can be insured for cost would create a good incentive to bring out cooler ships and be in FW and fight in low. Also fits RP to be somewhat subsidized by the state you are fighting for indirectly. But it was just to highlight that there were many options on the table they did not look at.

I think you are right that most of what we are getting was not actually something from the FW perspective as a whole. It reeks of null influence. While taking a glorious dump on many things FW players wanted. They wanted their time spent in FW to mean something. Turning it into a grind fest does not add meaning to what we do. There in is the trick that is being played on us. They are saying the meaning is in keeping from getting locked out. When simply shutting of station services would have the same effect but not be retroactively harshly punitive against players. They want to pretend that station lock out is the meaning when you could have had it be anything like Navy spawns that help out in fights or substantial bonuses to ratting and or exploration site spawns or something. Forcing those of use that want a casual pvp zone to have to have logistics chains like a null alliance to work. Instead of us being able to stash ships in a system we want to fight over is insulting.

The station lockout is silly. Its flawed just from the fact its not applied to to neutrals in some way as well. If there was some honest thought on this lock out stuff they would have made it standings based as well or at least apply to all players in some way not just this odd selective situation that under scrutiny makes little sense. Dont have a 3.0 standing with amarr. Sorry cant dock etc. -10 pie sorry cant doc here. But im against station lock out in low sec period.

I can see that they already had this stuff in the works and planned most likely before fanfest. I was told by people (Including Hans) then to pretty much "wait and see" when i was up in arms about what i was hearing then. Thing is they had DATES set for the expansion and they were announcing stuff at fanfest. Odds were high that they were going to implement the stuff they were talking about and it was not just talk of ideas at that point. I doubt that there was going to be much chance to change the direction they were going with this. They had already decided what they were going to do.

EDIT: this will also kill small scale pvp, enjoy the blob warfare that will become the norm. And im talking null like blob warfare.

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Liamn
Atrum Deus Vult
#649 - 2012-05-13 08:58:55 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

Also, I just described why a group would want to join the losing faction, because its possible to make incredible profits over the course of a campaign that assists a militia in making a major comeback. No need to go over that again.

As for the system upgrades, there will be more on the way and there’s definitely items the CSM has already been pushing for that only didn’t make it into this release due to lack of time. Thankfully CCP will be working on this up to and including a Winter expansion with even more iterations. I don’t mind someone questioning what I’ve been up to, though you are correct that much is covered by the NDA.

Hans, you are showing your inexperience and short-sightedness in FW - any campaign to assist the losing side is temporary (i.e. FW has been there, done that). BTW goons: here's another griefing strategy for ya. Oh, and you don't have to be committed to it: take a month, two three – whatever fancies you. And by the way, you could control the market on some FW LP store items and datacores. And of course, bring your rivals into the area. I am sure CCP will reinforce the nodes to accommodate the influx of traffic. And when you leave, give me 2% of your profits for the ideas.

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

I can say that as a FW pilot, almost every single major complaint that the community has had as far as missing elements is being investigated, but deadlines are deadlines and this is only the first round. That is why many forum posters are panicking, and I personally seem a lot more relaxed and optimistic. CCP isn’t asking me to buffer them at all, it’s just completely useless for me to go around pitchforking on the forums for issues that I know are being worked on.

It appears that either you don't have any influence in your role as a CSM member; or you are allowing CCP to play you for a fool.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
Plexodus
#650 - 2012-05-13 13:22:18 UTC
Liamn wrote:
It appears that either you don't have any influence in your role as a CSM member; or you are allowing CCP to play you for a fool.


Or Hans is just a regular politician...
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#651 - 2012-05-13 13:39:32 UTC
Here is an Inferno expansion idea that is worthwhile for FW: Please post your support.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#652 - 2012-05-13 14:22:19 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

Im looking not at the short term this new stuff will give us. Im also looking at the end game. And also the new freaking entry barriers that this type of crap puts in place on the newer players is crazy.


CCP wrote:

Factional Warfare is the PVP training ground for new players,

...

After you’ve cut your teeth in Factional Warfare or solo combat, it’s time to step into the shadows.

...

http://www.eveonline.com/inferno/


Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
Plexodus
#653 - 2012-05-13 17:36:44 UTC
Is there a reason CCP removes my messages from board, even an innocent one which only says "no" ?
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#654 - 2012-05-13 17:53:03 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Is there a reason CCP removes my messages from board, even an innocent one which only says "no" ?



No one likes a mentally unstable sociopaths posts.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
Plexodus
#655 - 2012-05-13 17:58:40 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
No one likes a mentally unstable sociopaths posts.


Why are you here then?
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#656 - 2012-05-13 18:03:26 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
No one likes a mentally unstable sociopaths posts.


Why are you here then?



M8 you're way out of line insulting a great guy who has passed and clearly need to be institutionalized.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
Plexodus
#657 - 2012-05-13 18:06:39 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
M8 you're way out of line insulting a great guy who has passed and clearly need to be institutionalized.


How am I insulting anyone? Please explain.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#658 - 2012-05-13 18:25:31 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
M8 you're way out of line insulting a great guy who has passed and clearly need to be institutionalized.


How am I insulting anyone? Please explain.


I didn't see what you posted, so I can't comment on it.

But if it was a polite disagreement, then I don't see why they should have deleted it UNLESS it was in poor taste.

Yes Damar, we get you don't like us. That is fine and I support you being able to say you don't like us. But there is some point where sometimes it is just better to say nothing at all if you have nothing good to say. This, IMHO, is one of those times.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#659 - 2012-05-13 18:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Joanna Ramirez
Hrett wrote:
Yes Damar, we get you don't like us. That is fine and I support you being able to say you don't like us. But there is some point where sometimes it is just better to say nothing at all if you have nothing good to say. This, IMHO, is one of those times.


I was actually going to answer this one in fairly neutral and polite manner but Yuri got banned from forums. I seem to be pretty good at this. It's ok. I have plenty of alts to post with. I mean, I post "no" to that other thread and it gets removed and Yuri is banned. Other guy says "Can I have his stuff" and while certainly bit inappropriate, is not removed.

5m isk says Joanna will be banned in less than an hour after posting this message.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#660 - 2012-05-13 18:55:39 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Hrett wrote:
Yes Damar, we get you don't like us. That is fine and I support you being able to say you don't like us. But there is some point where sometimes it is just better to say nothing at all if you have nothing good to say. This, IMHO, is one of those times.


I was actually going to answer this one in fairly neutral and polite manner but Yuri got banned from forums. I seem to be pretty good at this. It's ok. I have plenty of alts to post with. I mean, I post "no" to that other thread and it gets removed and Yuri is banned. Other guy says "Can I have his stuff" and while certainly bit inappropriate, is not removed.

5m isk says Joanna will be banned in less than an hour after posting this message.



Again, I don't know. Is Damar banned? Perhaps that is why Yuri was too? Perhaps you should just serve it out with all of your alts so it doesn't become final. Whatever people say about you, you are a good enemy to have in FW and do a lot for the Caldari. I would hate to see you permanent-banned.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!