Warfare & Tactics

This is a troll, surely. Have you tried plexing as one of the good guys, aka. Amarr? Where you can offensive plex with single frigs we need entire bloody fleets to counter the TP/Missile spam of the Mime NPCs in order to keep same speed as you lot.

At any rate, the massive imbalances in the current (and coming) system has turned most of Amarr off the entire thing which is why there hasn't been much of anything going on since the infini-plex change. What is the point of dedicating 200+ man hours (small gang for ~7 hrs) to flip a system when the enemy can re-flip it with 21 man hours (3 frigs for ~7 hrs)?

Not resetting is like allowing a single person to use a bicycle for a marathon and then keeping his world shattering record for all time .. and yes, the difference in "ease of plexing" is that pronounced.

Solution to defence LP issue:
Make it sliding scale, the closer one is to ones desired outcome (decontest for defence, vulnerable/flip for offence) the fewer LP one gets.
For Defense: Doing the rounds and resetting lightly contested systems would be worth it but barely, the big payout would be in systems near flipping where enemy is strongest (only if major changes to balance is made though).
For Offense: Big carrot is the flip which is also to yield LP (anyone else having issues with the LP flood they are planning?), so the decreasing ticks for plexes should act as motivation for the "last push" (synergy with defence above).

(For CCP) Hoping for answers to following in blogs:
- Are we still going to grind static EHP for flips by the way, or will it be 'automatic' once VP pool overflows?
- Are we going to have some indicator other than the highly inaccurate blob on map as to status of VP pool?
- Are missions getting nerfed to eradicate the perpetual bomber free-loaders .. they are going to be like locusts, swarming between militias that are doing well and thus get increased payouts.
- Are navy NPC's getting balanced as promised, or will it be at a later date?
- Will map on Amarr/Shakorite front be tweaked to 'even things out' as was done with addition of Black Rise at launch?
- Will plex access restrictions be tweaked to disallow pirate hulls which are punching far above their weightclass?
- With retraction of discount on LP for navy hulls, will they be made exclusive to FW or do we still have to compete with the high-sec bots (even if there is a person, repetition dulls the mind turning him/her into a bot so Hah!)?

Probably more, but Civ4 beckons.

Very True. Although again December/January I seem to remember the Amarr were that focused and the Minmatar were getting completed slaughtered. At one stage I believe they had everything upto Amamake and some over near Hek area... What happened???? Oh thats right we got our act together. :P



Nope not a troll and completely true, but out of interest I'm going to set up and try it in an alt and let you know. If its unbalanced then ccp should fix by rebalancing the NPCs, if not... well... no more needed to be said.

Just to be blunt, I would rather have full caldari minor plex spawn on my side in battle than full amarr major plex spawn. That might be saying something. Main issue with amarr npcs is that they have hard time hitting a broadside of a barn when parked inside a said barn. If you web and paint a cruiser sized target hull, they might hit with some regularity if within 20-30km. Otherwise......

You guys can get over the idea of Sov resets.. CCP has never done it for null sec and they won't do it for FW. It's almost certainly not gonna happen, so if you want your systems back you need to get out there and take them back before the update.

As far as the LP boost into the game it's being countered by almost an absurd price hike on all the Faction ships. If you look on SISI the Faction ships in the FW LP store have had the require LP cost multiplied by 4.

Hookbill for example is 40k LP

Navy Scorp is 600k LP

Navy Raven is 1 million LP

This is going to be so funny.

Now next time we take your system your all doomed!!!

ANNNND WE GET PAID TO KILL YOU ALL!!!
HAHAHAH YES!!!!

iLaw we will sell u huola back for 50bill

This assumption about LP store prices is a perfect example of why everyone should be waiting for CCP's final confirmation and explanation of all the changes in context with one another. They've already said they'll have a dev blog out this week, I highly recommend people wait until they know what the situation is before they just assume what they see on SiSi is static.

Go back and watch the Fan Fest presentation. It was there that the developers explained that the LP store prices are supposed to be on a sliding scale, according to victory conditions for ones faction. Winning militias are supposed to be getting discounts in the LP store, meaning you'd pay less for your faction gear than ever before. Losing factions would see their LP prices soar.

This way, there is always an incentive for the team that is behind to fight back, as every FW pilot will want to be cashing out their LP when it is worth the most isk. You might earn a ton while your faction is ahead, and than have it be worth less if you let the enemy beat you, providing an incentive to gold on to your LP, fight back, and than cash it out at peak value again.

Now, I have no idea what this means in terms of SiSi numbers, I suspect that without an actual war being fought and systems being reinforced, everyone is merely seeing the worst case scenario as far as the pricing scheme. But that is exactly why I suggest just waiting to see what CCP confirms this coming week, and than make your evaluations of the new system.

Everyone right now is so emotionally rooted in how this affects them in the short term, and forgetting that the current FW community is but a fraction of those that have come and gone. Many non-FW pilots will be interested in trying the new system as now everything has actual meaning and value, the Sov reset suggestion that everyone is panicking about is as much with respect for pilots that will want to try FW for the first time in years, or the first time ever. They may have little incentive to do so if one faction makes a sprint while taking Sov is incredibly easy, and than lives off the fat of the land that is supposed to be the reward for a system where taking Sov is much more difficult.

CCP should be considering everyone in the game that may want to give this a try, not just us grizzled veterans afraid of change. Starting May 22 with little reason for outsiders to enlist in the faction of their choice because of a frozen, imbalanced state of Sovereignty is not going to encourage the enlistment numbers that is one of primary reason we're working to improve Faction Warfare in the first place.

A couple of things.

CCP has said numerous times that the intention of F.W was to bridge into 0.0.

They have said multiple times they are not happy with current sov systems and it seems like we are going to be the guinea pigs for this.

I am all for trying new things. There have been numerous times friends have said there is no reason to flip systems since it really does not do anything. Well it looks like CCP is giving us a reason to plex.

I do like the ideas of still being able to dock but having increased costs in non friendly systems.

I am personally looking forward to the map filter changes. Oh ya!!

Huola is a dump, keep it. If you ever see me living there again by my own free will I give you permission to Bat Phone PL.(P.S. I have a carrier for sale) We also get paid to kill you. And since your lot ever leaves Huola or Kourm I will make SO much more than you.

Last night we fought over Asghed. Well kind of. We fought over a Minor and a Medium plex once the system went vulnerable. Amarr was able to decontest it once but do to RESHIP time we could not hold on to it. In the hopes of controlling the minor we even used carriers to try and resupply us in a timely manner. By the end of the night we sat in a Major Plex with Armor BC and Guardians, The Minmatar hit the Control Bunker with about 20 T3 BC's. They had warped to the Acceleration Gate but decided not to fight. The timer was around two minuets when they finished killing the Control Bunker. Was very close.

When you plex now you need three different ship sizes. When you fight over systems people die, they use over heat, they take damage. This is not 0.0. We don't go in, hit a structure and leave. We have to stay and grind for hours and possibly soon days to flip a system. If we can't dock, resupply, or repair what can we do? Focus on one size plex? Only try to flip systems next to one we own?

Not that I don't agree with you on this point, but there are ways of dealing with it. You could put up a staging pos in the system you're attacking with a ship maintenance array - each corp or alliance just needs a small to get it done. I think it brings some much needed logistical considerations to a fairly easy place to live, and I like that about the system.

As for last night, you guys were welcome to warp in on our fleet at any point, no one was making you sit in a major.

This, plus 40 hour timer will make it very difficult to secure systems that are more than one jump from a station. Give defenders in home systems a huge advantage.