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So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?

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Dren Nas
The Omega Syndicate
#341 - 2012-05-04 11:42:10 UTC
Xython wrote:



3. The EVE Economy is absolutely ******. Years of RMT, of Botting, of "free" minerals have done an absolute number on the economy. While CCP would never directly intervene, they certainly welcome player self correction. Goons attacked the Gallente Ice fields not because it would **** off highsec kids -- well, not entirely so -- but because our logistics guys looked at the economy as a whole and realized that the entire economy is based on a few hundred people cheating using ice bot accounts. That's ****** up, and you don't have to be a Goon to agree. Ice needs to be moved to lowsec or even Nullsec, and moved fast.


I wouldn't say that ice needs to go to Null/Low. CCP just needs to do a better job of killing the bots rather than relying on players to fix their game. And CCP does say they are doing a better job with bot smashing.



Criitucius
The Dark Horizon
#342 - 2012-05-04 11:54:54 UTC

I have to agree. The Goon phenomenon has gotten out of hand. They are harrassing people ingame, harrassing people on the forums, harrassing website editors, and I dare say, have crossed legal boundaries if their their bragged about website antics (out of game) are true. It's obvious with this orchestrated effort to flood this forum with a campaign to stifle "dissent" by making it seem unpopular for people to even discuss the issue.

CCP, you have a beautiful and mostly well executed game here...but you are severely limiting your customer base and your potential profits, by allowing actions that have resulted in the tainted reputation you have earned, for allowing the gameplay and the game economy, to be run by one cultish group (most of who use plex anyway to pay for their multiple accounts).

Just look at how the outside world, and thus most of your potential customers, view this game. That's why, unless you start doing something, you will never compete in the market place, no matter how nice your missle trails become. It's sad really

I keep hearing about not violating your "values", and not interfering with the "sandbox". Well, what about the "value" of your company? You can take your indignation at taking action and feel good about it when this eventually is forced to become free to play and some of you lose your jobs.

I'm not paying for them to have fun and I work for a living. I don't have that much time online and am not going to spend what I do have, being harrassed.

I hated to do it, since I love this game, but I just voted with my feet.
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
#343 - 2012-05-04 12:17:06 UTC

ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!!
want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ????
NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships !
NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !!
YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!!
yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!!
So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!! [/quote]


Who made your ship that you can PVP in?
Scarlet Johansen
Hiata Omega Zeta
#344 - 2012-05-04 12:20:58 UTC
all i saw CCP were just advising players of Conflict in Jita, which is helpful. to the person that lost a jump frieghter in jita, ur an idiot for trying during this time, but i also happy there was no profit for the goons, i dont like the goons but they have played the game to the point where they are now without breaking any rules and so it would be unfair for CCP to interevene in a non-gameplay manner,

I dont like the reason why the Jita event was done, but that outside the game and doesnt matter, the only way CCP would get involved is if $$$ revenue was being affected by these events

i hate most gankers, some are respectable, ganking miners just for 'PvP kills' is not, if done for this you are cowards.

The Gallente ice interdiction and hulkageddon are different, the reasons they are made is irrelavent. The eevents had purpose.

Hulkageddon, im a carebear, i personally hate hulkageddon, i lose ships at the start of each event which tells me its time to stop mining for a while. But its done withion the confines of the game rules so its part of eve as is anything else thats done within the rules though i think a whole month is a bit over the top, that said, if i had the income i would donate a prize to the Hulkageddon event myself as it keeps the economy going and goves reasons for people to play and make up the losses after etc

i dont like that my prefered activity gets disrupted, but there is always something else to do in eve, this game is called 'EVE-online', not 'Space Mining Online' :)


Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
#345 - 2012-05-04 12:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kurai Kihaku
David Przybyciel wrote:

ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!!
want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ????
NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships !
NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !!
YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!!
yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!!
So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!


Who made your ship that you can PVP in?


Ok, this player is acting like an adolescent hysterical boy, who cannot even keep up an intelligent discussion and deliver his points and views in a clear, concise form. How can someone like that be expected to conduct himself in-game and in RL?
Whenever I see someone like that, I wont even bother responding to or wasting my breath, since this individual doesn't even have enough respect for me or anyone else to bother voicing his arguments and concerns in a civilized manner.

just look at these silly, childish comments... "You!!! you! you! you!" "People like YOU!!!!!" "YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" you cannot even bring up a valid point without direct accusations of single individuals.


C'mon... Say "You" one more time... That was hilarious.Big smile


But hey, at least you admit that carebears is what makes EVE go.


Who made your ship that you can PVP in? Who mined the minerals so that ship could be built? Who flew that ship into Jita so you could buy it at a good price? THASS RIGHT. CAREBEARS.
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
#346 - 2012-05-04 12:59:38 UTC
Meh, Im a carebear,. I dont care Im taking advantage of Hulkaggedon/ Jita Burn to move into another quiet lucrative Carebear Activity that will pay for both of my accounts with a few hours a week maintenance,.. So yeah Thanks GS I needed a break from mining anyways.
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#347 - 2012-05-04 13:08:19 UTC
Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:
Blah blah blah blah ( I could not find the spell check..... )



You do realise you just made a monumental fool out of yourself right....

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...

Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
#348 - 2012-05-04 13:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fleet Commander Rolan
Wodensun wrote:
Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:
Blah blah blah blah ( I could not find the spell check..... )



You do realise you just made a monumental fool out of yourself right....



Whose the bigger fool,. the fool or the fool who follows him?

As far as I made a big fool of myself,.. meh branching into PI did 1 t2 planet realized it pumps out about 1.2mil a day profit,..Times 4 planets per char times 6 chars across 2 accounts,.. 24 planet PI network that will produce about 860m a month low maint,.. once I upgrade to a 36 planet network by boosting each chars skills to handle 6 planets each Itll pay for both accounts. Who pays for my accounts as a carebear,... Prolly the goons who bother wasting rl money on plex.
Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
#349 - 2012-05-04 14:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kurai Kihaku
Mephrista wrote:
Your Rant:

"Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry..."

My Response:

It is not that they "cannot" have access to the best loot or that they "cannot" mine the best ore... it is that they "choose" to. EVE is about choices so instead of crying... fight back.


But isn't that what I said right from the start? Are you blind and cannot read, or you just stubbornly ignore the word "choose" in my first sentence that YOU quoted?!

What you don't get though, and I already said that too, is that I DON'T WANT to PvP. Get it through your head. I enjoy other aspects of this game, and I don't need you or anyone else to tell me to PvP when I specifically state that I am not interested in that sort of game-play.

Let me guess, like so many others, you gonna tell me to get out of your game and go play something else where there is no PvP. But again, like already said so many times, who are you, or anyone else, to tell me what to play and how I should play it? The only entity I would like to hear on this matter is CCP, and the only way they can legitimately reply is removing the gameplay elements from their game that carebears like. But they will not do it, because those elements are just as important as the PvP elements. And if that is so, why make life miserable for the carebears?

You completely ignored my example about various professions in RL. We need the garbageman as much as we need the frigging doctor, and the garbageman deserves just as much respect, because the doctor would be living in filth without him. That is off course not to say that they should be equally paid, but they sure as hell both EQUALLY deserve a place in our society, and should be equally thanked for what they are doing.
David Przybyciel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#350 - 2012-05-04 23:24:23 UTC
Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:

ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!!
want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ????
NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships !
NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !!
YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!!
yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!!
So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!



Who made your ship that you can PVP in?[/quote]

I MADE MY SELF SHIPS AND PEW PEW TAKE YOUR NOOB CAREBAER LOOT AND MAKE MORE SHIPS TO PEW PEW MORE OF YOU F#$%S !!
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#351 - 2012-05-04 23:28:41 UTC
How this thread makes me feel.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.

Goober Junior
Nova Holdings Inc.
Independent Operators Consortium
#352 - 2012-05-05 00:02:36 UTC
I am sure the flames will begin.

I have no issues with Piracy or Griefing. Didn't even care about burn Jita because it didn't cause a blip on the screen of my Eve life.

Thing is though, this game is geared a lot towards screwing another person. Why have Concord in the scheme of things? In a sandbox game, that CCP is trying to lead with story as well as player driven. Game wise, in empire, where Concord Reigns supreme. Such an event shouldn't have happened.

Also a sec status loss? Get real, that is so easy to turn back around, what have you lost in ganking someone? A cheap ship that you can buy another 1000 of by getting your status back up?

a newbie
Kenbishi Heavy Industries Inc.
#353 - 2012-05-05 01:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: a newbie
It's times like these when I wonder if they even hit the start video. I may be useless in this game, but I don't hold any illusions about the nature of it.

EVE is like all the movies depict people would act like when the control above them is removed. The people who play this game with a sense of honor, are playing their ideal story. The people who play this game, and abuse it, abuse you, they are playing this game like an immortal would. Why would they care if they lost isk? You can build yourself from nothing and fast. You can loose everything, but you can still get in that newb ship, get in a little put-put-rat and your back into your fancy new ship. Then you can lose it again.

There is in essence only a handful of ways to play the biggest sandbox. You stick to a strict set of morals, be it good or bad, or you dont. But don't expect everyone to play by yours.

The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.

...um.. fire?

Goober Junior
Nova Holdings Inc.
Independent Operators Consortium
#354 - 2012-05-05 02:33:41 UTC
a newbie wrote:
The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.


Maybe in you. Not in me
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#355 - 2012-05-05 02:38:59 UTC
Goober Junior wrote:
a newbie wrote:
The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.


Maybe in you. Not in me


I've got a lot of "goon" in me, ifyouknowhatI'msaying.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#356 - 2012-05-05 02:39:34 UTC
a newbie wrote:
It's times like these when I wonder if they even hit the start video. I may be useless in this game, but I don't hold any illusions about the nature of it.

EVE is like all the movies depict people would act like when the control above them is removed. The people who play this game with a sense of honor, are playing their ideal story. The people who play this game, and abuse it, abuse you, they are playing this game like an immortal would. Why would they care if they lost isk? You can build yourself from nothing and fast. You can loose everything, but you can still get in that newb ship, get in a little put-put-rat and your back into your fancy new ship. Then you can lose it again.

There is in essence only a handful of ways to play the biggest sandbox. You stick to a strict set of morals, be it good or bad, or you dont. But don't expect everyone to play by yours.

The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.


Bolded part is fitting, because capsuleers are immortal.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#357 - 2012-05-05 03:02:42 UTC
Y'know what would have made Burn Jita actually damaging? Had they not given everyone a month's notice. Noone would have know what the hell was going on for at least a day and it would have caused chaos

It would have been beautiful and glorious

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Aphasia Starr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#358 - 2012-05-05 04:21:15 UTC
Hey, i went into Jita during the event, bought my gear, left. There were a ton of people in local. But I will tell you what, I thought the fireworks were great. Admitted, i'm not a goon, so my survival was on my own head. I used a blockade runner, fitted to warp fast and slip points. The first few people to warp scramble me didn't do anything, while their webs just put me into warp faster.

They have the right to do as they please just as we have a right to do as we please. It pleased me to run the system, so i did. If you let your own fear stop you, that's your problem.
Aphasia Starr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#359 - 2012-05-05 04:24:28 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
a newbie wrote:
It's times like these when I wonder if they even hit the start video. I may be useless in this game, but I don't hold any illusions about the nature of it.

EVE is like all the movies depict people would act like when the control above them is removed. The people who play this game with a sense of honor, are playing their ideal story. The people who play this game, and abuse it, abuse you, they are playing this game like an immortal would. Why would they care if they lost isk? You can build yourself from nothing and fast. You can loose everything, but you can still get in that newb ship, get in a little put-put-rat and your back into your fancy new ship. Then you can lose it again.

There is in essence only a handful of ways to play the biggest sandbox. You stick to a strict set of morals, be it good or bad, or you dont. But don't expect everyone to play by yours.

The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.


Bolded part is fitting, because capsuleers are immortal.



I agree. We ARE immortals. We have our own personal morals, unrestricted. OUR HONOR IS OUR OWN. No country or belief system is there to force us to behave. Sure, there is concord. But Concord has it's rules, and they are easily avoided. I do miss the days when we were able to fight concord, but those days are gone. so Concord got it's own immortals, Ok.

I'll fight my own way. You fight yours.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#360 - 2012-05-05 04:25:06 UTC
Good grief, move on, everyone else has.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?