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So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#81 - 2012-04-30 02:06:08 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.


The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets.

Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.


The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.

Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.

It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. Shocked

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-04-30 02:12:03 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.


The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets.

Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.


The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.

Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.

It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. Shocked


You need to dig deeper than that. Big smile
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#83 - 2012-04-30 02:12:47 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.


The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets.

Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.


The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.

Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.

It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. Shocked


You need to dig deeper than that. Big smile

I think the onus of proof is on you?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#84 - 2012-04-30 02:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Darth Gustav wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.


The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets.

Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.


The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.

Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.

It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. Shocked

Lets not forget the fact that we don't have to repond to things instantly. You attack our towers, we have to be there when the RF timer expires(usually 12 or 36 hours) which is more than enough time to get back home from Jita, even if we do it all via normal stargate.

Edit: Getting rid of RF timers would destroy entities like Raiden. who are concentrated in one TZ. It wouldn't actually bother the CFC, since we a re well represented in all TZs.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Trinity Six
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-04-30 02:21:22 UTC
Kurai Kihaku wrote:

Stuff


There are safe places throughout the eve universe. They are called stations. I suggest you find one and stay there until theo bad scary men go away.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-04-30 02:32:10 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think the onus of proof is on you?


True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-04-30 02:34:45 UTC
Kurai Kihaku wrote:
I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)


I stopped reading after this sentence.

No one said you couldn't go in.

Hello, hello again.

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#88 - 2012-04-30 02:35:12 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think the onus of proof is on you?


True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.


Ah, for a troll-free Interwebz!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Lindsay Fox
Blue Midget Corporation
#89 - 2012-04-30 02:37:16 UTC
I've been playing this game since 2005, I've read a lot of dumb crap on these forums.

This is probably the single most absurd thing I've read. I feel like I'm being trolled by Salvador Dali.

The whole post is it's own answer. To anyone who knows anything about the ideas behind a 'sandbox' like Eve, this post doesn't raise a single point worth any consideration. Every single argument being made is like a perfect distillation of all the different types of whining that crops up repeatedly in the forums from people who don't get it.

Just seeing someone start a complaint by suggesting that the game 'is a little bit too much like real life' makes my brain warp like I've been drinking PCP Koolaid. *that is the whole freaking point you dim, dim person*.

Many people think that the real problem is the lack of space-sim MMOs so people don't have a choice. People like the OP would probably go play somewhere that was WoW in space, if they could.

But one of the things that make the 'real life' hardships of Eve much more interesting is that there are plenty of people playing who would rather be somewhere else, but have no choice.

In that respect, it's also a lot like real life. I like that.

So, while in some ways it would be good for the players if CCP had a serious competitor with a 'safer' universe, it would also make Eve a bit more homogenous and less interesting, IMO.
Rek Esket
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-04-30 02:40:32 UTC
Eskalin wrote:
oh the tears, they fill my swimming pool. i need the salt water to float my obese aspie self as i motorboat my supermodel kickboxing girlfriend while she makes me sashimi to eat off her ginormous she-breasts


Still irrelevant.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#91 - 2012-04-30 02:45:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think the onus of proof is on you?


True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.

Much respect for not going NPC alt route with it then Cool

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#92 - 2012-04-30 02:50:36 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think the onus of proof is on you?


True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.


This is a super convenient response. "I'd show evidence, but you people wouldn't get it, so I won't."

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#93 - 2012-04-30 02:58:38 UTC
@ Kurai

CCP has always had this stance from the day Eve Online was first released to the public, which was 9 years ago. Since then, the subscription has grown while operating under such conditions. Eve Online is also the one MMO where all the evil players can come in and play with knives in a sandbox with so little rules that it has been a cultural understanding that CCP trying to interfere or stop an event like Burn Jita is blasphemy. Hell, this is a cultural understanding that CCP made clear from the beginning.

If you don't like it, then by all means leave this place for your own sake. In fact, you and me disagreeing is also part of the game. We are suppose to be chaotic. We are suppose to be enemies. We are suppose to experience destruction. And we are suppose to try to control the market and push it to its limits.

So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get.

Adapt or Die

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2012-04-30 03:02:18 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get.

No, it's more the equivalent of whining to your god to nerf them.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#95 - 2012-04-30 03:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapine Davion
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get.

No, it's more the equivalent of whining to your god to nerf them.


Yeah, this is it. And your God has given you all the nerfs you could ever want, and it still isn't enough. So you whine to your god to get rid of the piranhas and snakes and spiders, and he does it and it kills off an entire ecosystem.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-04-30 03:19:53 UTC
It is a good opportunity to use it as a stress test of TiDi with the new crime watch. One bug has been exposed and confirmed by a CCP Dev so far.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2012-04-30 03:26:00 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get.

No, it's more the equivalent of whining to your god to nerf them.


Yeah, this is it. And your God has given you all the nerfs you could ever want, and it still isn't enough. So you whine to your god to get rid of the piranhas and snakes and spiders, and he does it and it kills off an entire ecosystem.

Well, CCP seems willing enough to oblige. Or has, just because they think the ganking is great doesn't mean they won't up CONCORD.

But making CONCORD appear faster or kill faster wouldn't help if we alphastrike gank.
Conrad Makbure wrote:
It is a good opportunity to use it as a stress test of TiDi with the new crime watch. One bug has been exposed and confirmed by a CCP Dev so far.

Yep. Well usually you don't see so much lag and high TiDi around highsec, but I guess next time some big player run event occurs we'll have dodged that one.

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Marcin Arkaral
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-04-30 03:26:19 UTC
I like Jita burn. I wish they did Amarr burn, Dodi burn, Hek burn, and all other major trade hubs. This will lead to massive ship losses, thus mineral prices shooting up. Good for miners.
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2012-04-30 03:26:54 UTC
As an industrial player I don't want to get ganked, but I definitely want there to be the potential of getting ganked. And this event certainly shows just that.

If anything Burn Jita was a perfect example of what a sandbox is all about. Players creating an event without some scripted system providing it to them. I hope it'll encourage more alliances to follow in its footsteps.

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]

Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-04-30 03:30:59 UTC
Git friends. Profit.

Got my Dust514 key...