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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Hailey Sunweaver
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-03-28 05:01:51 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:


That's what I was trying to quote sorry i am to lazy to edit. The fact remains the suicide comment is out of line




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI

01:12:00

decide for yourself, he seems very eager to say make him kill himself.

Drunk or not.



I'm not disputing what was said at fanfest. I am saying it is not the place Issler to speak out of turn. She is not the judge and jury. She is trying to use this event to fuel her personal goals / ambitions by not speaking with the rest of the CSM on this matter. We elect the CSM to be our sounding board to CCP. So i think that we should allow both the CSM and CCP to do thier jobs and handle the matter before them in the correct manner.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#302 - 2012-03-28 05:29:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Hello Issler.

I came here to tell you that you are stupid.

Just so you know~~

As opposed to someone who supports Mr. I just lost 10058 votes?


He has not lost a single vote, pubies who hate him still hate him, and would have never voted for him.

Resign or not, he still won with 10k votes. That would be like saying the millions who voted for bill clinton or nixon were 'lost', when they went into scandal.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#303 - 2012-03-28 05:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Tel
Issler has more justification than most CSM members to go on a rant. Particularly, if she doesn’t like the way the current situation is being handled. Aside from a statement, it makes no sense for the CSM to be involved at this point. It’s not their place. This is an issue waiting for a CCP ruling and they seem to have lost their balls. Any other player and this would have been over and done with days ago. But it seems a little favoritism has come into play...

Mittens claimed he did wrong himself, claimed he would resign himself, and left no question as to wrong doing in his own words. There is nothing more to discuss. Does he want to back out of those promises now? Does he think he has some form of voter mandate? Well, so did Nixon.

Was Mittens just talking "drunk again?" If he will not man up and take care of this himself as he said he would then let CCP apply the ban hammer to help him stiffen that spine.

I know all the little wall boogers want to swarm to their king nose picker's defense in face of the evil pubbie onslaught but there is simply no escape this time. And it's your own fault.
Frying Doom
#304 - 2012-03-28 05:51:02 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Hello Issler.

I came here to tell you that you are stupid.

Just so you know~~

As opposed to someone who supports Mr. I just lost 10058 votes?


He has not lost a single vote, pubies who hate him still hate him, and would have never voted for him.

Resign or not, he still won with 10k votes. That would be like saying the millions who voted for bill clinton or nixon were 'lost', when they went into scandal.

Yes because they all went on to do productive things as commander and chief of the United States after they were thrown out.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#305 - 2012-03-28 05:51:13 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Hello Issler.

I came here to tell you that you are stupid.

Just so you know~~

As opposed to someone who supports Mr. I just lost 10058 votes?


He has not lost a single vote, pubies who hate him still hate him, and would have never voted for him.

Resign or not, he still won with 10k votes. That would be like saying the millions who voted for bill clinton or nixon were 'lost', when they went into scandal.


Oh stop please he got those votes purely by powe bloc voting, 8000 goons and their alts so stop trying to make out he got 10k votes by random people! Can't believe people are still trying to pull that one
Frying Doom
#306 - 2012-03-28 05:52:22 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
Issler has more justification than most CSM members to go on a rant. Particularly, if she doesn’t like the way the current situation is being handled. Aside from a statement, it makes no sense for the CSM to be involved at this point. It’s not their place. This is an issue waiting for a CCP ruling and they seem to have lost their balls. Any other player and this would have been over and done with days ago. But it seems a little favoritism has come into play...

Mittens claimed he did wrong himself, claimed he would resign himself, and left no question as to wrong doing in his own words. There is nothing more to discuss. Does he want to back out of those promises now? Does he think he has some form of voter mandate? Well, so did Nixon.

Was Mittens just talking "drunk again?" If he will not man up and take care of this himself as he said he would then let CCP apply the ban hammer to help him stiffen that spine.

I know all the little wall boogers want to swarm to their king nose picker's defense in face of the evil pubbie onslaught but there is simply no escape this time. And it's your own fault.

Hear Hear

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Araviel
Epic.
#307 - 2012-03-28 05:57:26 UTC
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term.


WTF!?
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#308 - 2012-03-28 06:04:54 UTC


Jade Constantine wrote:


Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.




No, he didn't. He didn't do anything to break any rules according to the EULA/TOS. Besides, he was in that panel as an alliance leader and Michael Boltons presentation was far more offensive...if you've an easily offended conservative who takes everything far to seriously.

Personally the whole thing, the whole reaction is hilarious, its of Daily Mail/Fox News proportions and you're acting like Glenn Beck.

No one seems to take into account that Wis guy might be have been trolling himself (this is EVE) and he might also have been botting with those 23 accounts. His reaction to this was certainly in good humour. Why not ask the person in question about how they feel about this? Because that might disarm this entire witch hunt.

Also no one seems to want to take into account that this sort of thing is a daily occurrence in most online games (note, this did not happen while in game or a game related service covered by the EULA). Some of the stuff you can hear on Xbox live makes mittanis comments look quite timid.
Frying Doom
#309 - 2012-03-28 06:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
knobber Jobbler wrote:

Jade Constantine wrote:

Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.
No, he didn't. He didn't do anything to break any rules according to the EULA/TOS. Besides, he was in that panel as an alliance leader and Michael Boltons presentation was far more offensive...if you've an easily offended conservative who takes everything far to seriously.

Sorry can see where Jade Constantine says EULA/TOS I believe that the reference was too

"They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. "
As listed at http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM

So yes he clearly broke that rule unless RL threats are suddenly allowed.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#310 - 2012-03-28 06:14:08 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:


Jade Constantine wrote:


Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.




No, he didn't. He didn't do anything to break any rules according to the EULA/TOS. Besides, he was in that panel as an alliance leader and Michael Boltons presentation was far more offensive...if you've an easily offended conservative who takes everything far to seriously.

Personally the whole thing, the whole reaction is hilarious, its of Daily Mail/Fox News proportions and you're acting like Glenn Beck.

No one seems to take into account that Wis guy might be have been trolling himself (this is EVE) and he might also have been botting with those 23 accounts. His reaction to this was certainly in good humour. Why not ask the person in question about how they feel about this? Because that might disarm this entire witch hunt.

Also no one seems to want to take into account that this sort of thing is a daily occurrence in most online games (note, this did not happen while in game or a game related service covered by the EULA). Some of the stuff you can hear on Xbox live makes mittanis comments look quite timid.



Bolton didn't end up calling for someones IRL death.

And it being a daily occurrence does not make it right.

This is basic stuff you are getting wrong.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Frying Doom
#311 - 2012-03-28 06:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
What I said earlier is the CSM should have released a statement individually or together even if it was a simple, "we are reviewing it but we believe that real life threats are inexcusable" or for that matter any rubbish other than we are running away see you in a few days.

Apparently the BBC now has this so we are all boned. The fact that this has not been acted upon by the CSM or CCP will get them all hung. Actually I suppose we can say "Members of the CSM have condemned this action" as 2 of them spoke out before they were shut down.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#312 - 2012-03-28 06:25:43 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:


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No one seems to take into account that Wis guy might be have been trolling himself (this is EVE) and he might also have been botting with those 23 accounts. His reaction to this was certainly in good humour. Why not ask the person in question about how they feel about this? Because that might disarm this entire witch hunt.

Also no one seems to want to take into account that this sort of thing is a daily occurrence in most online games (note, this did not happen while in game or a game related service covered by the EULA). Some of the stuff you can hear on Xbox live makes mittanis comments look quite timid.



wis has been investigated by CCP...he is "not" a botter, confirmed. He runs a ridiculous multi screen setup I can't even begin to comprehend. He's got a blog somewhere that has a picture of it. You can see it for yourself.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#313 - 2012-03-28 06:41:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
The worst part is where does the game go from here. If nothing is done what can CCP say if someone else starts making RL death threats or threats of a beating? What about their liability if nothing is done?

We are only talking about an advisory position to a company generating 60 million a year.

Honestly I believe he is sorry and there was no way he could know getting drunk that night would do so much. Over here we have "Don't drink and drive" ads every where, maybe someone should get him a "Don't drink and Speak on Camera" T-Shirt.

You idiot. Seriously you think this many people can be this buttmad at Mitanni, Goons, the CFS, TEST, etc and in a moment of extreme stupidity, send an eve mail that says "I'm going to kill you!". Apparently people have even threatened Mittens dog. Heard anything about anyone being arrested for that? I haven't. Heard of CCP banning any accounts cause of stuff like that? I haven't. Just. Stop. Posting.
Frying Doom
#314 - 2012-03-28 06:50:56 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The worst part is where does the game go from here. If nothing is done what can CCP say if someone else starts making RL death threats or threats of a beating? What about their liability if nothing is done?

We are only talking about an advisory position to a company generating 60 million a year.

Honestly I believe he is sorry and there was no way he could know getting drunk that night would do so much. Over here we have "Don't drink and drive" ads every where, maybe someone should get him a "Don't drink and Speak on Camera" T-Shirt.

You idiot. Seriously you think this many people can be this buttmad at Mitanni, Goons, the CFS, TEST, etc and in a moment of extreme stupidity, send an eve mail that says "I'm going to kill you!". Apparently people have even threatened Mittens dog. Heard anything about anyone being arrested for that? I haven't. Heard of CCP banning any accounts cause of stuff like that? I haven't. Just. Stop. Posting.

Oh you seem confused, Im not talking about something done in game. If his dog, family or he has been threatened in Real Life, he should contact the police immediately. Threats of this kind in real life should not be tolerated by anyone.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#315 - 2012-03-28 07:18:34 UTC
So Issler, how does it feel to basically tell the entire CSM to suck your **** just days before you have to start working with them for a year? Do you feel that this will help you in your goals to make eve a better place for miners?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#316 - 2012-03-28 07:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Wing
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:




then you shouldn't have a problem telling it to someone's face.


And indeed I would not. It's just words.




Walk up to a real goon at a bar this weekend, if you're old enough to drink, and tell him with all heartfelt sincerity he should kill himself because he's a waste of space. Go on....see what happens. That's my whole point..in the real world there are grown ass consequences for talking this kind of sht to people.


Honestly, if I walked up to a goonie and told him to kill himself, while grinning the same grin that Mittens grinned on the panel, I'm pretty confident it'd get laughed off. I'd probably even get laughed at.

Goonies, back me up here.
Mechaet
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#317 - 2012-03-28 07:54:46 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:




then you shouldn't have a problem telling it to someone's face.


And indeed I would not. It's just words.




Walk up to a real goon at a bar this weekend, if you're old enough to drink, and tell him with all heartfelt sincerity he should kill himself because he's a waste of space. Go on....see what happens. That's my whole point..in the real world there are grown ass consequences for talking this kind of sht to people.


Honestly, if I walked up to a goonie and told him to kill himself, while grinning the same grin that Mittens grinned on the panel, I'm pretty confident it'd get laughed off. I'd probably even get laughed at.

Goonies, back me up here.

Confirming I would ask for a deposit of 1 billion isk to accomplish this task, with 500 million due up front.
Vordak Kallager
Goryn Clade
#318 - 2012-03-28 08:08:33 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
So Issler, how does it feel to basically tell the entire CSM to suck your **** just days before you have to start working with them for a year? Do you feel that this will help you in your goals to make eve a better place for miners?


I too am curious what possessed Issler to run off and make this thread without consulting the rest of the CSM about how to approach MittaniGate. It would have made a lot more sense for them to discuss the situation privately, decide what they were going to do (after seeing what CCP wanted/required out of the situation)) and then make a united public front about the post. Having one of them run off and immediately condemn her fellow CSM member's actions (while arguably morally justifiable to an extent) is not a very politically thought out move.

Is Issler really so quick to stab her fellow CSM in the back? She has to work with the rest of the CSM for a year, and I don't think this is a very good way to start off for her. They probably see her as some kind of rogue element that does whatever she wants for her own purposes. Not a very good first impression.

But, you know, to each their own or whatever.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Frying Doom
#319 - 2012-03-28 08:15:37 UTC
I thought it was good a couple of them spoke out. I wish they all had rather than just tow the party line.

Especially when the party line seems to be "Duck and Cover"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Vordak Kallager
Goryn Clade
#320 - 2012-03-28 08:20:29 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I thought it was good a couple of them spoke out. I wish they all had rather than just tow the party line.

Especially when the party line seems to be "Duck and Cover"


We've seen the effects of a CSM member acting without thinking. I think it isn't appropriate to immediately rush off and post your first instinct without consulting your co-workers about what happened, what now needs to happen, etc. It just doesn't seem very professional to me, and professionalism from the CSM is what started this whole shebang.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.