Jita Park Speakers Corner

I'm american and i can see you have a point. But hold off on the China thing...soon as them and Russia want to go off the dollar as the worlds reserve you'll see your China war. True story.

I have had my NDA in place since CSM 2. Waiting for the Skype information now. I am very sure Mittens had a lot to do with the success of the CSM 6 but as other people have pointed out there is a higher standard applied to leaders. I am not at all happy to have had to take this stand. I did want to work with Mittens but I think he crossed a line and I am surprised to see you not stand by me and support that this was planned before the incident and showed an extreme lack of judgement. It hurt the CSM in the player's eyes (you even have goons calling for him to resign) and it is a black eye for Eve in the general public.

I've promised everyone that voted for me I'd speak the truth and that is exactly what I'm doing here. It is my job to fight for the integrity of the CSM and to be open and honest to the players of Eve. I'm doing what I promised.

Issler

I started this thread because I saw repeated posted in other threads that asked the CSM for their position related to this event.

If the rest of the CSM 7 can't find it in themselves to take a stand then I wonder how they think they deserve their position in the CSM.

I really am disappointed that Mittens did this. He ultimately let down the 10K folks that supported him in this election. Clearly many of those voters don't seem to care, but many clearly do.

At first I thought the apology would be enough, but as I thought more about it I couldn't accept that Mittens set out to do this before the panel and in a sober state of mind. In addition his initial responses and the "I didn't know until I got home and watched the video because I was so drunk" in my mind is a failure on his part to "own it" as he repeatedly said on stage.

So I'm sorry, I'm asking him to "own it" and I think for the benefit of the CSM and Eve, that means at a minimum he is out of the CSM this term. I also agree with folks that pointed out this seems to be a clear violation of the ToS and many have been removed from Eve with less evidence. We also need to hold CCP accountable and demand they clearly explain whatever action they take relative to enforcement against less famous players.

And to say I'm doing this for power is insane. I knew this would further polarize any opinions about me but I didn't sign up for this to win some sort of popularity contest. I did this to server the players of Eve and it looks to me like a lot of them want more than just a "I'm sorry, I was drunk and was an asshat, can we hug and make up, I swear I'll never do it again".

I really looked forward to working with Mittens, by all accounts he is very effective in the CSM and I wanted to see how the "new" structure of the CSM worked compared to the older and less effective model I was involved in.

Here is one final point. The original purpose if the CSM was to make sure that the players had direct representation when scandals in Eve occurred. To give the player's a voice when scandals happen. If this isn't a scandal then I'm confused about the meaning of the word.

Issler

How is something a player does in the real life against the ToS?

By asking someone to harass someone else in game.

Issler

As Seleene already said, the CSM is discussing the matter internally before making any public statements. You should probably think about participating, if this is an important matter to you.

Possible monkey-wrench in that argument: His actions were broadcast live through their website.

Regardless, you've got email waiting to be answered it seems. v0v



This kind of talk is only going to alienate every other member of the CSM before you are even involved. Right now I think it's beyond debate that Mittens did something really dumb. He's owned it and apologized for it. Now we need to decide what the result of all this is. It is only fair that we allow every member of the CSM to have time to do things like get back from Iceland before any decisions are made. (Two Step is literally IN THE AIR as I type this).

I considered doing a point by point to many of your statements but I'll just leave it at this: the campaign is over and most of your posts on this subject read like you are still campaigning for something. You've earned your spot on the team so come on board and start being a team member. o7 o7

Respect

Also, while I completely agree that it was out of line to ask for other people to message him, somehow there are a few things people are forgetting.

1. CCP had access to all presentations beforehand and obviously didn't object to anything. The Alliance Panel is traditionally pretty laissez-faire. People presenting drunk is not something new on this particular panel and CCP obviously doesn't mind.

2. Mittens wasn't on the alliance panel in his capacity as a CSM member. He was there to represent Goonswarm. I wasn't a particular fan of the slide in question, since Depression is unfortunately a pretty serious condition, but other people didn't seem to mind.
During the CSM panel where he actually spoke in an official capacity, he was not drunk and he behaved completely professional, doing exactly the job that was expected from him.

3. Nobody seemed to mind for 2 days after the alliance panel was presented. There were no sanctions by CCP, very few comments on the slide. Not even Evenews picked it up and Riverini and Mittens are not exactly the closest of friends.


I agree he did something wrong, but he apologized and I seriously doubt he will anything like that ever happen again. The absolute most he should do is step down as chairman of the CSM and let TwoStep take over, while remaining on the CSM panel as a normal member.
Removing him from the CSM alltogether will undoubtedly hurt Eve and that can't be in the interest of any player.