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Buying Skill Points
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Kestrix
The Whispering
#1 - 2012-04-14 20:25:52 UTC
Firstly I don't think new characters should be able to buy skill points. Having said that I have a character that dates back to 2003. Most of this characters time has been spent inactive. This is time that I could of been paying CCP and training SP. What I would like is the ability to pay back payments for months spent un-subbed in return for an average number of SP a character could of earned in that month. Or convert a PLEX into a months worth of SP untill I've back payed the total time spent un-subbed.

This could be a good way for CCP to recover £ lost to inactive accounts.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-14 20:28:10 UTC
No.

If you want a detailed reason why not, learn to use the #%$^&* search, this gets proposed every week or so (if not more) and is still a horrible and gamebreaking idea.
Quade Warren
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-14 20:28:42 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Firstly I don't think new characters should be able to buy skill points. Having said that I have a character that dates back to 2003. Most of this characters time has been spent inactive. This is time that I could of been paying CCP and training SP. What I would like is the ability to pay back payments for months spent un-subbed in return for an average number of SP a character could of earned in that month. Or convert a PLEX into a months worth of SP untill I've back payed the total time spent un-subbed.

This could be a good way for CCP to recover £ lost to inactive accounts.



Clever. Only problem is, how does CCP determine how much SP to give you? We earn SP based on our attributes, but we have to be training in order to earn SP. Since you weren't training, how would this factor in?

Not nay-saying just yet. There is a somewhat valid point here being that you started a character, but life screwed you so you couldn't continue training, but you'd like to catch up. It's different than paying for SP.

But it's also still paying for SP. I'm adverse to such things, but open to suggestions.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-04-14 21:15:08 UTC
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-14 21:39:20 UTC
Since its a 2003 character, it was around since ghost training, also implants have been introduced and learning skills taken out of the game,

exactly how many sp are you trying to get back?
for how much plex/isk/cash? cause if you did a straight shot to say carriers, and then ghost trained all racial bs 5 and all carrier 5, and who knows what else, you are paying for hmm, half the time? less? or
are you thinking of paying the full amount of time in cash for however long it has been since you were a paying (plex of cash) customer?
do you have to pay for the ghost training time?
could you had you been playing, always afforded the skill books at the right time or would you have to train other things?
and this was before skill queue. do you pay extra to not have had to time skills to the second?
how much time do you lose to missed skill switches?
did you have your learning skills to 5? all of them? use any remaps?
maybe decided to train an alt for something?

can alts get this? if i transfer to a new account can i pay isk to gain sp despite the main on this (the origin account) training?
whats the account age cut off date?
do you ever get podded? paid for every new clone?


While its true that you started the account long ago, opening the door to many many crying screaming and kicking noobs doesn't seem like a good idea

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-14 22:03:36 UTC
Hey guys, I have an idea-- what if CCP sold skillpoints for money!
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#7 - 2012-04-14 22:15:47 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
Hey guys, I have an idea-- what if CCP sold skillpoints for money!



Great Idea... They can charge $15/mo and slowly sell SPs


Problem solved.
Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-14 22:25:55 UTC
This again? Well I'm on to this weeks Ban AFK Cloakys thread. See ya there.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-04-15 00:16:39 UTC
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
This again? Well I'm on to this weeks Ban AFK Cloakys thread. See ya there.


We should make a game out of it. a buy Sp thread, a nerf cloaks thread, a blob thread, a wardec thread...

What else?
Quade Warren
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-15 01:01:23 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
This again? Well I'm on to this weeks Ban AFK Cloakys thread. See ya there.


We should make a game out of it. a buy Sp thread, a nerf cloaks thread, a blob thread, a wardec thread...

What else?


Don't forget "fix the POS" threads.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-04-15 02:07:44 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
This again? Well I'm on to this weeks Ban AFK Cloakys thread. See ya there.


We should make a game out of it. a buy Sp thread, a nerf cloaks thread, a blob thread, a wardec thread...

What else?


I keep telling myself I'm going to make a master thread that addresses all those repeated ideas and then some so that I'll be able to just give insert a link to the post and be done with it. Maybe once school dies down, lol.
Kestrix
The Whispering
#12 - 2012-04-15 03:37:12 UTC
You lot are not very quick on the uptake are you! This is about CCP recovering lost revenue and players being able to recover lost time on in-active accounts.

I'm not saying a 2 day old character should be able to buy enough SP to train every BS upto lvl 5

To everyone who says no to buying skill points, what do you think the character bazaar is? What do they base the price of a character on??? Oh thats right! Skill points!

Seeing as you lot are incapable of exploring an idea I'll do it for you. Another way of lookin at what I suggested is:

Charater X pays one months sub extra as a back payment for a month this account was in-active. CCP gives his SP training a boost for one month. Say for the sake of argument for every 2 skill points he trains he gets an extra skill point free till the end of the month. This means he still has to keep his skills training and does not simply get handed a lump of skill points to add to any skill.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#13 - 2012-04-15 03:42:39 UTC
As I said, it's been discussed already. It's a bad idea and it's exploitable on top of that. Still a no.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65172

Oh, and you fundamentally misunderstand the character bazaar, you're not buying SP, you're paying someone to spend months putting skills into the skill queue of a char. BIG difference there.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-15 03:50:12 UTC
Anyway you put it, it's still extra SP when the game isn't really about that. No.

(Tired of writing long well thought out responses to the same threads)

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Kestrix
The Whispering
#15 - 2012-04-15 03:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kestrix
Oh I know it's been discussed before. It just means the right solution has not been found yet. It does not mean this is a bad concept. Which in my mind suggests that we should keep trying to find the right solution. Simply blanking out a topic because it's been suggested before is wrong.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#16 - 2012-04-15 03:57:30 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
The 'right solution' has been found. It's called "the skill system is fine as-is". It's a bad concept because it has been proven bad countless times. We're not just shutting out the topic because it's been suggested before, we're shutting it out because it's a BAD IDEA, that's really all there is to it.

You can propose it 'till you're blue in the face, it'll still be a bad idea; and that's all there is to it.
Kestrix
The Whispering
#17 - 2012-04-15 04:05:12 UTC
Oh well... and I wanted to be able to fly a Carrier tomorrow as well Sad I guess I'll just have to go to the character bazaar and buy the skill points their... dosn't matter if they come under a differnt name does it?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#18 - 2012-04-15 04:15:27 UTC
You can't buy SP from the bazaar, you can only buy characters there. So, you're not buying SP, you're paying someone to spend months loading skills into the queue and training a character for you. There's a large difference.

Of course, you would already know this if you'd stopped to read through the rest of the 'buy SP' threads and see that get shot down over and over.
Kestrix
The Whispering
#19 - 2012-04-15 04:24:11 UTC
When I buy a character I'm not paying for your time I'm paying for your skill points... by your logic a character thats been training for five years should be worth more than one thats been training for four years... Only the person who's been training for 5 years never bought a single implant and so has been overtaken skillpoints wise by the four year old character. Wait whats that??? the character thats been training for less time selling for more becasue it has more skill points???? simply can't happen because it's the months spent loading skills into the queue that counts.
FoxFire Ayderan
#20 - 2012-04-15 04:54:43 UTC

I think these ideas have some merit.

How many ways does CCP and the community have to bend over backwards to TRY to convince new players that they aren't WAY behind the game by starting so late, and you know what... most potential new players will never even hear those strained rationales anyway.

While there certainly should be limits on what is allowed, and it should be dependant on community interaction (such as the idea I floated on SP transfers) as are most things in the game, I think there ought to be opportunities to get more incoming players, who want to take that route, to get there quicker.

I'm pretty new to this game, and yes I've been told that incoming players can be quite formiddable in a reasonable period of time, BUT on the other hand, you make any suggestion like this (from what I'm being told), and veteran players presumably get VERY aggravated by it.

If SP points aren't that relevant to how effective a player is or what opportunities a player has, then why so covetous of them? As I understand it there are other measures of longevity and success within the game.
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