Ships & Modules

and this stops you from tanking it how?

I've been masochistically reading this entire shitpost, thought I'd add a bit to it.

I've been working my way towards a Pilgrim for a time and I thought I'd compare the Hulk's base tank (apparently worth 300m ISK) vs. the Pilgrim's base tank (roughly 190m ISK IIRC). I mention cost because some people think it matters.

Hulk base (pyfa, All V) - 9145 EHP
Pilgrim base (pyfa, All V) - 6926 EHP

One would expect the Pilgrim, a combat ship, to be able to handle a destroyer gank better than the Hulk, but apparently not. I can only conclude that the Hulk does, in fact, have a decent tank. Adding a briefcase should be second nature.

Though I'd like to see Hulks getting buffed with more HP (and be able to use 5 heavy drones or sentries), I'd like to point out a common oversight:

Covetor
* Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level.

Hulk
* Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level, 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level
* Exhumers Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level, 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level
* Prerequisite: Exhumers 3

With Exhumers 5 that's a built-in 15% MLU or IHU. No slot, CPU, or grid required.

So a MSE Hulk fit yields the same or better than a 1x MLU II (+9% yield) or 1x IHU II (-9% duration) Covetor, but with a lot more EHP, which is in-line with the Hulk's intended role: "They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space."

[Hulk, EHP]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5

You are starting to remind me of that old piece of software that came with the original release SoundBlasters. Around the time when the Gravis Ultrasound was considered "cool".

"Tank it, escort it, fly a different hull and accept the lower mining yield or die when under heavy attack"

To which I expect a response like "Under heavy attack where?" or "Under heavy attack why?"

Like turning the last part of any post into a question, picking at the edge cases and completely ignoring the fundamentals of any of the logic that has been presented to you. Even to the point of taking the concept of an overpowered ship and saying it would be unbalanced but turning around and saying that should be the case for a mining barge.

Are you here to have a sensible discussion?

…and the question being asked in return is: so what if it can be ganked by a couple of destroyers? What's the problem?

Well the destroyers recently got a pretty decent buff. What would it hurt to update a hulk?

What would it hurt to update a hulk?

You will NEVER achieve 100% attention for 8-12 hours. Your chances to be there and fully attentive to the right game client out of 4-8 for the about 2-3 seconds needed to have you scrammed are minimal. Your chances against a trailing disco warp in are left for you to guess. Right today I was playing training target (!) with a merc corp studying how to kill the latter kind of attack, they had to study for 2 hours to find a somewhat functioning counter.




I don't care that much, but there's no real reason not to give it 1 shield extender. It's a civilian ship but there's no civilian space in EvE. You always undock in a situation of war.

Also, sure, the contract is irrelevant for you, the endless threads that you will see in the next months will show you that it was relevant for many others.

Anyway good night, 2am here. I know you'll begin your batch "counter reply forever" because your insecurity issues force you to get the last word but I don't care. The other readers can make their free idea with or without boring quoting ping pongs.

Don't hold your breath.
You see that here are only few people that are so passionate about "OP Hulk"
It would kill their "Titan in the pants"
Many people wrote valid arguments but its not ok for them.
And yea... i saw i this thread that... i think Tippia said that we all must buy stuff only in Jita because thats only valid market in EVE.
(you know, thats only place in EVE where hw found that some ships are more expensive so thats only proof and **** the rest of EVE, CCP can just shut it down)

Logic here wont pass.
Who write more posts, and dont have life so can post all day long, he will win.

It's not irrelevant to me — it doesn't exist to me, so it can't be irrelevant. What I'm saying is that, going by what you just said, it's completely irrelevant to you since you're a proper industrialist and have included all the cost of doing business in your business plan. At that point the imagined “low income vs. AFKability” contract no longer applies — you're treating the matter completely differently, and are dealing with losses as normal write-offs.[/quote]

I happily admit my opinions are just that and don't present them as the Bible laws carved in stone.
Therefore while I don't need buffs for Hulks (I'd like Macks were less pathetic though), others seems to.
The majority usually wins. If you'll see 100 threads like this in the next months (just let enough people jump into mining and get their slap) it's quite possible a buff will happen.