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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#41 - 2012-04-11 04:17:00 UTC
Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#42 - 2012-04-11 04:26:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarn Kugisa
I stopped mining in null due to not being able to tank any rats with my retreiver. Granted thats a Teir 2 Tech 1 barge, but I take it you need a drake or something to take the aggro from the rats so they can use their cloud of drones to gank the rats.
Hulks should be able to tank fairly large ships, not being ganked by a destroyer, which is meant to do that to frigs.

My Merlin gets a better tank than a hulk.


EDIT: If the Hulk got 50-75 MW more PG and 50 TF more CPU it could tank pretty well. Maybe even some more slots but that is wishful thinking.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Adunh Slavy
#43 - 2012-04-11 04:31:15 UTC
Dyniss wrote:
At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.



Some of us simply do not enjoy hearding cats. Doesn't mean we don't like the other cats.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Lanasak
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-04-11 04:41:33 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?


and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!


okay

can you fit a 1600mm plate on a viator/occator
Lanasak
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-04-11 04:43:18 UTC
it's easy to get 30-40k ehp out of a hulk

you just have to realize that survivability comes at the expense of mining yield

that's something that most hisec miners can't wrap their heads around vOv
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#46 - 2012-04-11 05:25:49 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
I stopped mining in null due to not being able to tank any rats with my retreiver. Granted thats a Teir 2 Tech 1 barge, but I take it you need a drake or something to take the aggro from the rats so they can use their cloud of drones to gank the rats.
Hulks should be able to tank fairly large ships, not being ganked by a destroyer, which is meant to do that to frigs.

My Merlin gets a better tank than a hulk.


EDIT: If the Hulk got 50-75 MW more PG and 50 TF more CPU it could tank pretty well. Maybe even some more slots but that is wishful thinking.

Belt security is all you need a single cruiser usually faction or hac will work fine. I personally use a Gila myself. It tanks very well plus you have plenty of room for logistic drones. I carry a flight of heavy T2 shield bots myself.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#47 - 2012-04-11 05:27:14 UTC
But then again I run dual accounts which IMHO is the most optimal way to play EVE.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-04-11 05:29:59 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Suicide gank of T3 miner? Yes, please.


Embarassingly/funnily enough, I read this and said "harrrr" out loud. What the **** is happening =\

Hello, hello again.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#49 - 2012-04-11 05:33:05 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
never minned a day in my life other than that mission that made me mine once...

so i was looking at the hulk today and was wondering why there are so many high sec bear tears... when i noticed it had this awesome resist bonus profile but it cant fit a bloody LSE?!?!??!

either fix the damn ship ccp or add the 5th subsystem to TIII ships that are indy/minning based... shesh!


How eerie. I was just yesterday thinking that the Hulk ought to be able to fit an LSE.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#50 - 2012-04-11 05:38:00 UTC
Dyniss wrote:
Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.


A Whole 20K Gee wow. That's like, uber and stuff. With a tank like that I'm sure null bears will be flooding thier belts with 20K EHP Hulks now. They should pay you for that fit.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-04-11 05:38:47 UTC
Hulk....hmmm.....HEY OP your an IDIOT!

Have you taken the time to google the hulk tto fit against ganking?
NO!

Thats what i thought. not going to give ya the answer going to mke you work but you can fit a hulk not all faction tank gear but able to have over 35k EHP with a nice shield resists but you would cry cause you could not fit the T2 strippers....still you cry when your hulk pops.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-04-11 05:41:10 UTC
Ioci wrote:
[quote=Dyniss]Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.


Pathetic. I did the same blue shield thing. watched a hult pilot tank against 10 man crew and could not pop him they had tyo call a curse in to kill him.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#53 - 2012-04-11 05:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Why do people still insist on mining in hisec?

High security space is an area meant for new players to learn the game, and for people to come together to trade. The idea is clear, once you get the hang of the game, you move out of the noobzone and start playing.

If you can fly a T2 fitted Hulk, you should leave the cradle and join or form a corporation. There are no suicide gankers outside hisec, you can mine your heart out in corp/alliance mining operations in environments that you and your friends can control. Now is the the perfect time to leave cesspool behind and get rich.

Free your mind and your Hulk fill follow!

.
Adunh Slavy
#54 - 2012-04-11 05:51:32 UTC
Roime wrote:

and join or form a corporation


Not everyone enjoys null sec politics and waiting around for others to get their **** together constantly.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#55 - 2012-04-11 06:04:20 UTC
Null sec?

What about NPC null, lowsec and wormholes? I couldn't care less about null politics, and I very much prefer to live 100% from CONCORD, Empire faggotry and blobs. It's a huge world out there, and anybody can reap the riches it offers.

All you really need is a pair, doesn't even have to be big one, and little bit of common sense.

.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-04-11 06:05:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
All the industrail sector ships need an HP bump, and a big bump at that. If they have to cost more in minerals, so be it.


No, they simply require people to tank them.


When they're tanked, can a single overheated tier3 BC still gank them in high-sec? If not, I don't see a problem with the way they are now. If yes, maybe a small increase of hitpoints makes sense, just enough that it require a pair of gankers.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#57 - 2012-04-11 06:18:12 UTC
Take note CCP.

When even gankers, the most risk averse, pathetic lowlifes that infest this game, are calling for for more tank on Exhumers, you might want to realize that you may just actually have a problem here.

Lets kick it up a notch, CCP. You want that everyone starts mining in battleships again because they do a better job than the ships designed for it?

Mr Epeen Cool
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-04-11 06:22:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.


actually it is relevant because a hulk is a t2 ship with a smaller tank then a cruiser. it shouldn't have a BS tank, but it should be what enough for what is meant for, mining in dangerous space.
LSE on a hulk would be respectable, or all t2 miners for that matter.
there should be a larger jump from covetor to hulk. the PG to fit a LSE2 instead of small would be a good improvement
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#59 - 2012-04-11 06:25:49 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Dyniss wrote:
Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.


A Whole 20K Gee wow. That's like, uber and stuff. With a tank like that I'm sure null bears will be flooding thier belts with 20K EHP Hulks now. They should pay you for that fit.

Nothing wrong with 20k ehp I was just using it as an example. Also I don't understand this null bear nonsense most miners in EVE are very much into pvp they just use mining to fund their pvp. I am sure you have some way to fund your gameplay style too
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#60 - 2012-04-11 06:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyniss
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.


actually it is relevant because a hulk is a t2 ship with a smaller tank then a cruiser. it shouldn't have a BS tank, but it should be what enough for what is meant for, mining in dangerous space.
LSE on a hulk would be respectable, or all t2 miners for that matter.
there should be a larger jump from covetor to hulk. the PG to fit a LSE2 instead of small would be a good improvement

I don't see any cruisers that can get 80+ to all resists with 2 modules neither.