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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Alara IonStorm
#241 - 2012-04-11 17:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
EvilweaselFinance wrote:

for armor tanking ships you must trade dps for tank

for shield tanking ships you trade other things for tank, in the hurricane example you've gimped your tank for mwd and tackle

[Hurricane, Tank, Tackle, Top Guns, Damg Mods.]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender LL while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#242 - 2012-04-11 17:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come [insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing] for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?
No. What's wrong with it. All I see is the very good design decision that a small inexpensive ship can kill a larger, more expensive one. This is as it should be.

By the way, has anyone mentioned that cost isn't a balancing factor? You seem to assume that it is…

Alara IonStorm wrote:
I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's.
In other words, you've sacrificed gank for tank.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#243 - 2012-04-11 17:06:39 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit


I am using you idiots to make money. Keep sperging.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#244 - 2012-04-11 17:08:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come

insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing

for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?


You are stupid to try and mine in hulkageddon/BAT interdiction area?

The hardest mining ship in empire to gank is the veldought and even that docks up in hulkageddon.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#245 - 2012-04-11 17:08:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit


I am using you idiots to make money. Keep sperging.


we have been considering you as our designated auditor for some goonswarm ventures, you have the exact sort of ability to ferret out scams we like in our auditors when we are looking for pubbie investments
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2012-04-11 17:08:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.


It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated.


On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come

insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing

for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?


Eventually, you come to a fork in the road where theory-craft goes one way and common sense goes another.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#247 - 2012-04-11 17:09:33 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender LL while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.

so you post a ship with a gimped tank and are seemingly unaware you've done so

good work inspector you've done it again
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#248 - 2012-04-11 17:10:27 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:


So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?


Because it won't die?
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#249 - 2012-04-11 17:10:36 UTC
Roime wrote:
Why do people still insist on mining in hisec?

High security space is an area meant for new players to learn the game, and for people to come together to trade. The idea is clear, once you get the hang of the game, you move out of the noobzone and start playing.

If you can fly a T2 fitted Hulk, you should leave the cradle and join or form a corporation. There are no suicide gankers outside hisec, you can mine your heart out in corp/alliance mining operations in environments that you and your friends can control. Now is the the perfect time to leave cesspool behind and get rich.

Free your mind and your Hulk fill follow!


Their reason for staying in high sec is no better than your reason for them leaving it.

They do what they want, you do what you want.

The game mechanics should allow one to make an "ok" profit solo-mining in high sec and have a fighting change to get away from a mild gank.

Assuming the hulk has a little defense, it should not be profitable for a single person to warp in and kill them while in the higher end of high sec.

This is is suppose to be fun for many play styles. Not all play styles should huge money makers, but for some that's ok.
Alara IonStorm
#250 - 2012-04-11 17:11:42 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender II while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.

so you post a ship with a gimped tank and are seemingly unaware you've done so

good work inspector you've done it again

Standard Armor Brawl Cane.

Still waiting on that fit.
Adunh Slavy
#251 - 2012-04-11 17:13:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?


Because it won't die?



LOL, sure it will, and with the more expensive tank, it is likely to drop more, that makes it worth sending in a couple of extra trashers.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#252 - 2012-04-11 17:13:39 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender II while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.

so you post a ship with a gimped tank and are seemingly unaware you've done so

good work inspector you've done it again

Standard Armor Brawl Cane.

Still waiting on that fit.

yes it would be the standard fit because the tradeoffs are correct, where you have tossed out tank in favor of dps in a highly attractive tradeoff

fitting mlu's is deciding to forgo tank because your wrenched peasant mind really needs that extra penny, so it is designed to prevent you from fitting the two best tank mods a hulk can have at once
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#253 - 2012-04-11 17:13:58 UTC
i would be puzzled at how someone could be so dumb, but hey: miner
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#254 - 2012-04-11 17:15:09 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?


Because it won't die?



LOL, sure it will, and with the more expensive tank, it is likely to drop more, that makes it worth sending in a couple of extra trashers.

this is why miners are so hilarious to kill

since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods

during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#255 - 2012-04-11 17:15:44 UTC
let us not think about the fit and use proper t2 mods nobody would even bother looting: straight to deadspace passive shield hardeners it is
Alara IonStorm
#256 - 2012-04-11 17:16:37 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:

yes it would be the standard fit because the tradeoffs are correct, where you have tossed out tank in favor of dps in a highly attractive tradeoff

fitting mlu's is deciding to forgo tank because your wrenched peasant mind really needs that extra penny, so it is designed to prevent you from fitting the two best tank mods a hulk can have at once

Bolded the right part.

It should be able to fit the equivalent of Mining Damage Mods and Tank without having to Rig and Power Grid Mod the Heck out of it.
Adunh Slavy
#257 - 2012-04-11 17:18:36 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:

this is why miners are so hilarious to kill

since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods

during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks


Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone.

Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#258 - 2012-04-11 17:21:27 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit


I am using you idiots to make money. Keep sperging.


we have been considering you as our designated auditor for some goonswarm ventures, you have the exact sort of ability to ferret out scams we like in our auditors when we are looking for pubbie investments


I am selective, I have loaned money and have done audits to GS people who deserve to.

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EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#259 - 2012-04-11 17:21:46 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:

this is why miners are so hilarious to kill

since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods

during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks


Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone.

Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy.

its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators

highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them
Severian Carnifex
#260 - 2012-04-11 17:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Severian Carnifex
bornaa wrote:


Yea, i am talking about relevant class of ships and weapon type on dessys that are most used.
And if you look at changes it really is 25% and 15%.
And sorry, its not 33,333% its even more, its 40%. Roll



Yea, by that amount (40%) increase tank of mining ships and we are happy.
We are back on what was 6 months ago.

And gankers got tier3 BCs too (cheaper gankers BS).