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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#221 - 2012-04-11 16:49:28 UTC
MIrple wrote:
This should shouldn't have to Fit Faction or Dead Space mods just to have a tank.


They don't...
dave3NG
Finite Future
#222 - 2012-04-11 16:50:36 UTC
Just boost cargo capacity. Therefore it's a buff to sensible people who may fit less cargo expanders in exchange for defensive modules but still mean that most highsec miners who wont can be ganked just as easily.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#223 - 2012-04-11 16:50:47 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.


It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#224 - 2012-04-11 16:53:29 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.

you get to pick increased yield or increased survivability not both
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#225 - 2012-04-11 16:53:37 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:


So because you have no data to refute my argument you will resort to ridicule because it shows, in detail, an uncomfortable truth. This ship cannot tank. You can try to buff EHP with a resist tank but unless you throw absolutely everything into tank you cannot do a fit that can survive an attack by a single tornado in a 0.7 or lower system.

The idea that players (not bots) are going to self select to be victims by flying such a ship is absurd. If high sec mining is going to be the source for low end mins, Trit may well hit 20.



Name a stationary T2 cruiser that can survive a 1400mm tornado without putting on a hefty tank.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#226 - 2012-04-11 16:54:25 UTC
this thread reminds me why all miners must hang, getting out the gunrunner later and going to murder some miners
Adunh Slavy
#227 - 2012-04-11 16:55:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.


It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated.


And it cost how much?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#228 - 2012-04-11 16:55:46 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
And it cost how much?

silence ignorant peasant
Alara IonStorm
#229 - 2012-04-11 16:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:

Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.

you get to pick increased yield or increased survivability not both

All ships should be like the Hulk. I fit 425mm Guns / Gyro's / TE's, Large Shield Extenders / DCU II / Defense Rigs, Tackle / MWD / Neuts on my Hurricane.

CCP should take away 2 of those 3 Options so it to can be as balanced as the Hulk. Common folks, Shoot, Tank or EWAR to far.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#230 - 2012-04-11 16:57:41 UTC
wah wah wah my ship that makes free isk requires me to think about how to avoid dying you scum make me ill

and ccp made it harder to pod you too ffffffff

oh well i've got an idea for how to do it
Adunh Slavy
#231 - 2012-04-11 16:58:47 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
And it cost how much?

silence ignorant peasant



Fck off troll

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#232 - 2012-04-11 16:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
bornaa wrote:
Copy paste, don't click it.
…and the site only gave me proxy errors.

Quote:
And i am picking the best spot for both things I compare so its good statistics data.
No, it's awful statistics data because you're picking and choosing between prices that are affected by different factors, and this makes them very bad for comparisons. If you want to compare prices, make sure all of them are subject to the same influences.

Quote:
You cant compare things, of lets say ores in RL, from one market, one ore is mined 1km from that market and other 20.000km.
…and that's exactly what you're doing if you're picking the lowest price — you're not actually looking at what stuff is worth on a common market. Jita is that common market, because even if prices are inflated, they are universally inflated and that's what matters.

Anyway, the fact remains: the 10× markup for a T2 barge is actually quite low, even within the already very low markup BC-sized segment. Moreover, since cost isn't a balancing factor, it is also quite irrelevant.

Jas Dor wrote:
So because you have no data to refute my argument you will resort to ridicule because it shows, in detail, an uncomfortable truth. This ship cannot tank.
…except that the Hulk can tank just fine if you choose to do so. It can survive a single Tornado attack with ease.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#233 - 2012-04-11 16:58:56 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.

you get to pick increased yield or increased survivability not both

All ships should be like this. I fit 425mm Guns / Gyro's / TE's, Large Shield Extenders / DCU II / Defense Rigs, Tackle / MWD / Neuts on my Hurricane.

CCP should take away 2 of those 3 Options so it to can be as balanced as the Hulk. Common folks, Shoot, Tank or EWAR to far.

for armor tanking ships you must trade dps for tank

for shield tanking ships you trade other things for tank, in the hurricane example you've gimped your tank for mwd and tackle

soz you're wrong yet again wretched peasant scum
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#234 - 2012-04-11 16:59:53 UTC
it is only appropriate you be flogged like the wretches you are as you scrabble in the dirt for pennies trying to avoid any sort of risk
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#235 - 2012-04-11 17:02:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.


It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated.


On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come

insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing

for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#236 - 2012-04-11 17:02:56 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:


And it cost how much?


+10 to 15 mil on top on the hulk.
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#237 - 2012-04-11 17:04:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.


It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated.


On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come

insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing

for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?

who would have thought the guy who can't do math and unironically believes in reading goat entrails sorry i mean technical analysis would come up with this sort of brilliant insight
Prince Kobol
#238 - 2012-04-11 17:04:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?


Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship.


It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated.


On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come

insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing

for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?


No as in over 2 years I have never lost a hulk to a gank
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#239 - 2012-04-11 17:05:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit
Adunh Slavy
#240 - 2012-04-11 17:05:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:


And it cost how much?


+10 to 15 mil on top on the hulk.



So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt