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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-04-06 18:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Adunh Slavy wrote:
The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.


Guess what?

EVE is harsh. 'Nuff said.

OP: Try fighting back or go join a nullsec alliance. You'll have to leave your corp of course.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#62 - 2012-04-06 18:40:02 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.


Yes, killing baby seals in a visceral fashion is much better than blowing up your pretend internet spaceship. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-04-06 18:42:07 UTC
I read the thread title. My reply is...

Yes. It is. Saying it is not just makes you wrong and will get you nowhere in EvE. Learn to deal with it.

That is all.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#64 - 2012-04-06 18:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.


Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.


Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target?

Remotely assisting someone who is at war flags you with aggression to all of the people the person you are assisting is at war with making you a legal target as long as you have a remote assistance module active and for 15 minutes afterward.

You can, jam, neut and blap neutral logistics as much as you like without penalty or concord interference.
Ivan En'Vec
Nevermore.
#65 - 2012-04-06 18:45:57 UTC
If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there.

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2012-04-06 18:48:35 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.


Yes, killing baby seals in a visceral fashion is much better than blowing up your pretend internet spaceship. Roll

Where might I get baby seals anyway? Internet spaceships are everywhere though.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#67 - 2012-04-06 18:49:09 UTC
Ivan En'Vec wrote:
If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there.

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station.


But then it would be consensual PvP and he couldn't make a whine thread about it.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-04-06 18:49:31 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


Don't worry, whoever in CCP who was stopping the kiddies from committing UO suicide has stopped trying.

Now the kiddies have decided to wreck everything in sight. Most MMO games say "we provide new content every year".

Eve says "Null Bear no like Missioners! Null Bear say make mission running suck! Null Bear say LESS CONTENT EVERY YEAR GOOD! ME SMART! ME REDUCE EVE CONTENT! ME SMART! NULL BEAR SAY!"

After fully reviewing the monumental folly of the proposed changes, I know exactly what is going to happen.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#69 - 2012-04-06 18:53:18 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


Don't worry, whoever in CCP who was stopping the kiddies from committing UO suicide has stopped trying.

Now the kiddies have decided to wreck everything in sight. Most MMO games say "we provide new content every year".

Eve says "Null Bear no like Missioners! Null Bear say make mission running suck! Null Bear say LESS CONTENT EVERY YEAR GOOD! ME SMART! ME REDUCE EVE CONTENT! ME SMART! NULL BEAR SAY!"

After fully reviewing the monumental folly of the proposed changes, I know exactly what is going to happen.


I'm sorry I couldn't post sooner but I was wiping Mountain Dew off my monitor.

The strawman in here is pretty massive. Sort of makes one wonder if there are any non-fallacious thoughts trying to fumble their way out onto the forums any time soon...

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#70 - 2012-04-06 18:55:15 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


Don't worry, whoever in CCP who was stopping the kiddies from committing UO suicide has stopped trying.

Now the kiddies have decided to wreck everything in sight. Most MMO games say "we provide new content every year".

Eve says "Null Bear no like Missioners! Null Bear say make mission running suck! Null Bear say LESS CONTENT EVERY YEAR GOOD! ME SMART! ME REDUCE EVE CONTENT! ME SMART! NULL BEAR SAY!"

After fully reviewing the monumental folly of the proposed changes, I know exactly what is going to happen.


One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-04-06 18:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Darth Gustav wrote:


I'm sorry I couldn't post sooner but I was wiping Mountain Dew off my monitor.

The strawman in here is pretty massive. Sort of makes one wonder if there are any non-fallacious thoughts trying to fumble their way out onto the forums any time soon...


Well, their nerfing ship bounties, mission drops, and deliberately creating massive inflation(as the Null Bears have admitted in other posts I have made). Tags and other idiocy has already nerfed LP. The massive inflation has already nerfed, and will continue to nerf the value of ISK earned from missions. Almost all Null Bear have displayed an actual hatred of ISK sinks... see the demented whining on my refining threat..... so they want this nerfing of ISK value to continue.

Mission rewards have plummeted and continue to plummet. When content becomes pointless to do, it might as well not exist.

That is CCP removing content.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-04-06 19:01:09 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
[quote=Darth Gustav]
That is CCP removing content.


Learn to fly a hellcat, bulldog, alpha mael, or any of the other popular ships right now and go join your 0.0 overlords then Lol

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-04-06 19:01:23 UTC
Quote:


One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.


Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#74 - 2012-04-06 19:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


I'm sorry I couldn't post sooner but I was wiping Mountain Dew off my monitor.

The strawman in here is pretty massive. Sort of makes one wonder if there are any non-fallacious thoughts trying to fumble their way out onto the forums any time soon...


Well, their nerfing ship bounties, mission drops, and deliberately creating massive inflation(as the Null Bears have admitted in other posts I have made). Tags and other idiocy has already nerfed LP. The massive inflation has already nerfed, and will continue to nerf the value of ISK earned from missions. Almost all Null Bear have displayed an actual hatred of ISK sinks... see the demented whining on my refining threat..... so they want this nerfing of ISK value to continue.

Mission rewards have plummeted and continue to plummet. When content becomes pointless to do, it might as well not exist.

That is CCP removing content.


You do know that nullsec anomaly bounties and drops are also being nerfed, right junior?

So you are complaining that null bears ruined their own ISK fountain. Congratulations, you win the prize.

[edit: in actuality i believe that the removal of meta zero items is a BUFF as it removes them from loot tables, as well. time will tell.]

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-04-06 19:02:51 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Quote:


One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.


Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.


I live in lo sec now. But I do enjoy nullsec.

If it was up to me all hi sec would become low sec.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#76 - 2012-04-06 19:03:12 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
nerfing ship bounties, mission drops, and deliberately creating massive inflation

I don' t think you know what inflation is and why that statement is contradictory.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#77 - 2012-04-06 19:03:36 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Quote:


One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.


Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.


Actually, I don't do any PVE content. I mainly fund myself with PLEX because I find the PVE content to be so terrible. Yes, I spend money, sometimes monthly to avoid ANY PVE content. What is your argument now?

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#78 - 2012-04-06 19:03:40 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
You have no idea what an insta-warp bookmark is, do you?


Roll There are ways to deal with instas. I was going to explain a few, then realized that would be giving away what is apparently rare information. If you can't figure it out, I'll let you continue thinking they're a problem. Just know that I have a habit of showing up in them.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-04-06 19:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
masternerdguy wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Quote:


One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.


Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.


I live in lo sec now. But I do enjoy nullsec.

If it was up to me all hi sec would become low sec.


And three month later CCP would be bankrupt.

And yet CCP listens to you.

(EDIT: They wouldn't actually be bankrupt in three month. They "merely" would have lost 1/4 to 1/3 of all subscribers and have entered a death spiral of "ever emptier space")
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-04-06 19:06:06 UTC
Alua Oresson wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Quote:


One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.


Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.


Actually, I don't do any PVE content. I mainly fund myself with PLEX because I find the PVE content to be so terrible. Yes, I spend money, sometimes monthly to avoid ANY PVE content. What is your argument now?


So you are an UO unlimited griefing person.

Well, see my response to the "benefit" of CCP listening to the likes of you.