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T2 BPO Removal [Support]

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#1 - 2012-04-05 22:49:38 UTC
Petition to Remove T2BPO sign in thread for support.

Yes another T2 BPO Removal Thread so many of these over the years from so many players. It's as if something might be wrong and in need of correction in Eve.

T2 BPO were introduced to the game unfairly and given to selected CCP pets a massive advantage over inventors or a massive ISK dump to those who sold them, this was wrong and is in need of correction. T2 BPO's should be reinbursed to owning players in the form of Research points spent on the lottery.

So lets start off with some voices from CCP pet players who know their crappy allinces and corps will crumble without being propped up by CCP gifted ISK, God forbid that they fight other corps on even terms with out massive CCP assistance.
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-05 22:56:00 UTC
I agree that it is broken compared to invention. A good solution? I could go either way. Either invention becomes more on par with the BPOs by some method or just remove the BPOs and reimburse the owners with a fair amount of isk.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#3 - 2012-04-05 22:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
started in 2009 (long after T2 BPO were handed out)
created spreadsheets
??????????
bought 5 T2 BPO

you can do it too.



edit: with incursions it was never easier. according to CCPs numbers at fanfest you need to run only 1 week of incursions to be able to buy a T2 BPO. you wont get a participation trophy here like you are used too in your communist clubs. do some spacework for a few days and you can buy one.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-05 22:57:08 UTC
Lets just remove all BPOs from the game and sell Copies in LP stores so everyone has the same quality and an equal chance for invention.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#5 - 2012-04-05 22:58:42 UTC
Nub Sauce wrote:
I agree that it is broken compared to invention. A good solution? I could go either way. Either invention becomes more on par with the BPOs by some method or just remove the BPOs and reimburse the owners with a fair amount of isk.


A fair amount of ISK would be zero isk as that is what they were introduced as. You did not have to spend any ISK to obtain one so this would be a fair amount of ISK. As to people who bought them yes they should be reinbursed that ISK but it should be obtained by removing said ISK from the seller.

Problem solved.
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-05 23:02:23 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Nub Sauce wrote:
I agree that it is broken compared to invention. A good solution? I could go either way. Either invention becomes more on par with the BPOs by some method or just remove the BPOs and reimburse the owners with a fair amount of isk.


A fair amount of ISK would be zero isk as that is what they were introduced as. You did not have to spend any ISK to obtain one so this would be a fair amount of ISK. As to people who bought them yes they should be reinbursed that ISK but it should be obtained by removing said ISK from the seller.

Problem solved.


Exactly, I'm sure many people purchased their T2 BPOs from others. This is the reason that all of them should be reimbursed for their market value. I'd rather have the fat cats get a bit fatter for now than keep the ability to easily undercut inventions.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-05 23:03:36 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Nub Sauce wrote:
I agree that it is broken compared to invention. A good solution? I could go either way. Either invention becomes more on par with the BPOs by some method or just remove the BPOs and reimburse the owners with a fair amount of isk.


A fair amount of ISK would be zero isk as that is what they were introduced as. You did not have to spend any ISK to obtain one so this would be a fair amount of ISK. As to people who bought them yes they should be reinbursed that ISK but it should be obtained by removing said ISK from the seller.

Problem solved.

Then the same must be dont for ALL, non dropped items. So ALL fuel block BPOs given away at christmas must be destroyed too.
Devan Reale
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-04-05 23:04:37 UTC
Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?

You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.

But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-05 23:06:15 UTC
Devan Reale wrote:
Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?

You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.

But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it.

Yeah what she said!!!!!!!!!
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#10 - 2012-04-05 23:15:01 UTC
lol fourm troll wrote:
Devan Reale wrote:
Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?

You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.

But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it.

Yeah what she said!!!!!!!!!


Why should I accept that other players are getting massive advantages from CCP? In any competitive activity people would complain. There in lies CCP's problem they have dreams of EVE developing into something more than it currently is. It however will not be anything more than a pissy computer game untill they stop interfering by gifting select people advantages and level the playing field that they have so slanted in a select fews favour.

The select few who moaned their ass off about pay to win because ''OMG that's unfair, some pubie can buy his way to the top instead of sucking CCP Dix like I did for my lottery BPO or asset BPO that places me firmly at the top with zero effort from myself.''

Yet again if you bought the BPO disregard, you should be given your ISK back.
Tarendar
Sparkle Pony Inc
#11 - 2012-04-05 23:20:21 UTC
There is insuficient reason to do this.

I compete directly with at least two BPO holders -- both run periodic dumps of drones, all across empire space-- and they just don't have much effect on the market. I pull out for two weeks, run invention and manufacuring as normal or maybe use the excuse to diversify into a new product or two, and then it's all back to normal. It's also possible to undercut them and still make a profit, if you don't have the capital or skills to pick up on HACs or whatever.

So, from the industrialist side, "meh."

The effect they *do* have, is that they cause T2 expendables to stay MODERATELY low-priced, holding down margins to a "measly" 30-50% for inventors. I do as good a Mr. Burns "excellent" as anybody, but even I don't need to screw over the mission runners THAT much.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#12 - 2012-04-05 23:21:27 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Why should I accept that other players are getting massive advantages from CCP?


I dont get massive advantage from CCP.
I started EVE with the same amount of ISK as you did, AFTER T2 BPO were handed out.
If a player starts playing eve now he can have a T2 BPO in 1 month if he is clever, in 3 months if he is like you.
I dont see the problem here.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#13 - 2012-04-05 23:25:22 UTC
Gatan Hahran wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Why should I accept that other players are getting massive advantages from CCP?


I dont get massive advantage from CCP.
I started EVE with the same amount of ISK as you did, AFTER T2 BPO were handed out.
If a player starts playing eve now he can have a T2 BPO in 1 month if he is clever, in 3 months if he is like you.
I dont see the problem here.


Ehm no.... just no.... Cool can you teach me to make 100 billion Isk in 1 month in eve. Because that is how much many T2 BPO's are worth. 100 billion isk given by CCP to select players to help prop up allince warfare that is nothing but a sham and thus pointless.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-05 23:25:26 UTC
You are only a few months old, yes i know, this game is not fiar, is has not been since day one, get over it, the is no shuch thing as power leveling, cant happin, there is no pay to win, get over it, if you want good T2 invent new T2 items like tractor beams, drone upgrades, but stop bitching because you never got the chance to make billions like the long term players did for there dedication to playing. So moral of this rant is STOP BITCHING THAT YOU DONT HAVE WHAT OTHERS HAVE.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#15 - 2012-04-05 23:27:22 UTC
Devan Reale wrote:
Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?


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Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#16 - 2012-04-05 23:29:23 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Gatan Hahran wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Why should I accept that other players are getting massive advantages from CCP?


I dont get massive advantage from CCP.
I started EVE with the same amount of ISK as you did, AFTER T2 BPO were handed out.
If a player starts playing eve now he can have a T2 BPO in 1 month if he is clever, in 3 months if he is like you.
I dont see the problem here.


Ehm no.... just no.... Cool can you teach me to make 100 billion Isk in 1 month in eve. Because that is how much many T2 BPO's are worth. 100 billion isk given by CCP to select players to help prop up allince warfare that is nothing but a sham and thus pointless.


ah it must be one of the most expensive ones, i understand. no way you could be happy with a T2 bpo costing below 5b for a start.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#17 - 2012-04-05 23:32:54 UTC
OK you are all right so who do I nosh off at CCP to get my T2 BPO gift? It's unfair to just demand a T2BPO with out guzzling as much fat as all you other pets did and still do.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-05 23:36:17 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
OK you are all right so who do I nosh off at CCP to get my T2 BPO gift? It's unfair to just demand a T2BPO with out guzzling as much fat as all you other pets did and still do.

My best advice to you is Rage Quit, this game is not for you. This thing called FAIR, it is unknown to me.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#19 - 2012-04-05 23:37:11 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
OK you are all right so who do I nosh off at CCP to get my T2 BPO gift? It's unfair to just demand a T2BPO with out guzzling as much fat as all you other pets did and still do.


to redeem your CCP pet t2 bpo gift you click
Contracts->Buy&Sell->Item Category:Blueprint Original->Search->sort by price->doubleclick the T2 BPO you want->click the accept button
Acorn FB
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#20 - 2012-04-05 23:39:20 UTC
Using a broken mechanic (Incursion farmers income) to defend anther broken mechanic (the sloppy distributed T2 BPOs) is kinda dumb.

But since you claim to have bought 5 T2 BPOs the odds are you are not very bright or very rich from some other source, since they sell for such a high price they almost never make economic sense, unless you caught a lucky sale or just looking to invest a mountain of idle isk to get some return for it. The investment only makes sense on the basis of passive income since a BPO is caple of much longer production runs they fall in alot closer to passive income than their inventor brethren.
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