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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Mechaet
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1081 - 2012-03-29 22:42:26 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
...Arrogance, lack of common courtesy, and a gross disregard for proper decorum...

Those are actually traits I look for in people I invite to come play Eve. Because they're honest.
Kai Pirinha
#1082 - 2012-03-29 22:51:44 UTC
Kosh Seere wrote:
I think all the current delegates should ask themselves each time they come up with a new suggestion, what would Mittens do?


And then do the opposite - or at least think about it again and do it the smart way.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1083 - 2012-03-29 22:54:52 UTC
I think people need to pull themselves from up their own arses and reflect on what really matters in life...
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1084 - 2012-03-29 23:00:20 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
I think people need to pull themselves from up their own arses and reflect on what really matters in life...


Never stopping posting?
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1085 - 2012-03-29 23:01:20 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
I think people need to pull themselves from up their own arses and reflect on what really matters in life...


Never stopping posting?


Couldn't even if I wanted to
Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
#1086 - 2012-03-29 23:05:12 UTC
"CCP in no way condones the harassment of players"


LOL sure you don't. Sure you don't
Ebon Rue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1087 - 2012-03-29 23:09:27 UTC
Jason1138 wrote:
"CCP in no way condones the harassment of players"


LOL sure you don't. Sure you don't




Depends on how you define harassment. >:-D

Harassment via in game mechanics is fine*, meta harassment is not.

(*You may be required to prove that your actions benefit you in some way.)
Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
#1088 - 2012-03-29 23:10:22 UTC
"It's unfortunate that this happened and that a significantly contributing member of CSM6 will not be returning for CSM7, but the error was entirely that of The Mittani and I think that CCP are applying the rules correctly and fairly. If they let this slide then they lose their moral authority in future."

How much moral authority did a company founded by griefers for griefers every have to begin with though?
Jason1138
The Catalina Wine Mixer
#1089 - 2012-03-29 23:13:10 UTC
"Harassment via in game mechanics is fine*, meta harassment is not."


giving out a toon's name is in game by definition though, right?


if he gave out the guy's real life name and phone number then obviously that's wrong but to sit there and say "this guy (toon's name) is dumb, ********, a crybaby, etc, go mess with him in game until he cries/kills himself/quits the game, etc" is something we've all seen thousands of times

in fact, it is all but the stated purpose for the game's existence.
Nathanael Lemmont
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1090 - 2012-03-29 23:23:13 UTC
I find CCP's hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness about all of this to be rather gross.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1091 - 2012-03-29 23:27:27 UTC
Look at the bright side. He only got charged and banned for breaking the EULA.

Other companies would also probably ponder a lawsuit in case they'd get damage over their fresh deals with Sony or would lose sponsorship off nVidia etc.

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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1092 - 2012-03-29 23:28:54 UTC
I also love CCP's comparison to real life politics as the low hanging fruit they reach for to avoid ::effort::. Welp, we didn't want a player mandated CSM anyways.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1093 - 2012-03-29 23:39:16 UTC
Alex/Mittens supporters....



















































End your subscriptions.
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1094 - 2012-03-29 23:40:27 UTC
Mechaet wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
...Arrogance, lack of common courtesy, and a gross disregard for proper decorum...

Those are actually traits I look for in people I invite to come play Eve. Because they're honest.


+1

You always know where you stand with an a-hole, and you'll always see him comming, because he'll never stab you in the back, He'll stab you in the face, and he'll tell you when he's going to do it.
I've never trusted anyone that goes out of their way to be nice to me Lol
Slurp DatDurp
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1095 - 2012-03-29 23:46:00 UTC
DELICIOUS GOON TEARS!!!

J Random
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1096 - 2012-03-30 00:08:08 UTC
CCP Xhagen wrote:

Q3, Real life actions should not equate to in game sanctions. Why did this happen?
A3, After much deliberation on the subject, CCP considers the Alliance Panel to be an official CCP forum, as it is hosted by CCP and broadcast in a similarly visible fashion to the EVE Online forums. As such, it falls under the jurisdiction of the TOS. Furthermore, the panelist, present on the panel in order to represent his in-game identity, advocated using in-game actions to achieve a real world outcome. Specifically he suggested that if anyone wanted to make another player kill themselves in real life, they should go in game and harass them to achieve that consequence. The totality of the situation including the official forum in which it was held and statements of the panelist during the Q&A, have since lead to in-game sanctions. However, it is important to note that this incidence does not necessarily create precedence for any other "real life" actions or statements triggering a ban.


The real question I have here is were they (the CSM members) aware of this prior to the event happening?
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1097 - 2012-03-30 00:09:59 UTC
J Random wrote:
CCP Xhagen wrote:

Q3, Real life actions should not equate to in game sanctions. Why did this happen?
A3, After much deliberation on the subject, CCP considers the Alliance Panel to be an official CCP forum, as it is hosted by CCP and broadcast in a similarly visible fashion to the EVE Online forums. As such, it falls under the jurisdiction of the TOS. Furthermore, the panelist, present on the panel in order to represent his in-game identity, advocated using in-game actions to achieve a real world outcome. Specifically he suggested that if anyone wanted to make another player kill themselves in real life, they should go in game and harass them to achieve that consequence. The totality of the situation including the official forum in which it was held and statements of the panelist during the Q&A, have since lead to in-game sanctions. However, it is important to note that this incidence does not necessarily create precedence for any other "real life" actions or statements triggering a ban.


The real question I have here is were they (the CSM members) aware of this prior to the event happening?

No, the real question is why does ccp constantly move the rules around to achieve whatever agenda they have? Because they couldn't care less about the mittani or any of the effort he put into making this a better game.
Kosh Seere
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1098 - 2012-03-30 00:11:08 UTC
Kai Pirinha wrote:
Kosh Seere wrote:
I think all the current delegates should ask themselves each time they come up with a new suggestion, what would Mittens do?


And then do the opposite - or at least think about it again and do it the smart way.

So you want them to ruin EVE.

This is why we can't have shiny objects.

Skill yourself!
Ibn Taymiyyah
eM' Roid Extraction Services
#1099 - 2012-03-30 00:13:14 UTC
Well, just to put my bias out, we're red to the goons, didn't vote for the man so my votes are still well represented. My representation if at all, just got stronger with this but ...

This seems like a very ****** maneuver by CCP, with all the timeline the events were processed.

3 days with "deal with it" threads and not a single worry from CCP ... then pubbies with axes to grind due to being griefed to hell by goons, so no love there, come out and spam "KILL" until CCP actually does what they want just to save face.

I understand that the goons have little love from almost anyone, due to their "we're out to destroy your game" ... but that's all within the rules! I understood those rules when I joined the game.

Even though I understand the need to kill this issue due on the CCP as a company side, due to bad press... but on the other hand I can't help feel this was them choosing the easy way out. No one criticized the presentation. People on the audience GOT THE JOKE as they laughed at it, CCP also got the joke, in due context, and some five days later shows up with a broken heart and feeling the moral standards higher than ever? WTF?


Mittens got ****** over by years of goons ******* with others people gaming experience and CCP just joined the band wagon forgetting to take into account that even them (CCP) saw nothing wrong with the presentation when it was done. ****, I almost bet most devs smirked/smiled/laughed at the damn thing when it was happening!

This ban was WRONG, the resignation from the CSM, if unvoluntary, was wrong. Mittens can repent all he wants, resign for all his positions,as is his right... but the way this was all treated just to save face in the end just disgusts me and I too have an axe to grind with the goons!

Free Mittens!

Fake edit: if he ever runs again, you can bet he's getting 20k votes ... or at least my 4 accounts, which none voted for him this time, will be voting on him. CCP grow your balls back PLEASE!
Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#1100 - 2012-03-30 00:32:25 UTC
Who would have thought that the EULA applied to how you conducted your self in life as well as in the game.

Must remember not to slow anyone down on the motorway for lols, or CCP will ban me for intentionally causing lag and griefing.