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My Apology

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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4221 - 2012-03-29 01:14:43 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Landrae wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Alex: I apologize!
CCP: Apology NOT accepted.


Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that.


Perhaps you didn't read CCP's dev blog completely. That's okay, when he's not on the ballot in CSM 8 I'll laugh again. You're right in that if he HAD resigned from the CSM like a man, he might have avoided the 30 day ban, and not effectively left the decision of whether to let him run in ANY future CSM election to CCP. That WAS a stupid move on his part, not manning up like that.

Apparently the full implications of this haven't sunk in with all the goons yet. But the surprising part is that I am surprised.



This is exactly the point.

He all the sudden slipped back into his Im the big bad goon persona rather then being a man and HTFU about it.


Well CCP made him HTFU for him. And much worse then what people were calling for originally.

He tossed gas on his own fire and let it burn out of control.

There is a lesson for everyone in this about how to act like a leader. Something mittens was clearly not in this case.


^^ -- Pretty much this

Alex is doomed by his ego.
Jita Alt666
#4222 - 2012-03-29 01:22:05 UTC
Ry Anubis wrote:
Hes A Sad Panda Now... Sad


Yeah seems so.
doombreed52
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#4223 - 2012-03-29 01:34:10 UTC
jita will burn.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4224 - 2012-03-29 01:37:49 UTC
Im going to be honest about this.

When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.

Thats when it became clear he had to go.

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Jita Alt666
#4225 - 2012-03-29 01:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
RougeOperator wrote:
Im going to be honest about this.

When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.

Thats when it became clear he had to go.


Please post evidence of your assertion that he tried to cling to power and or weasel his way out of this.

edit: hehe your opening line, what have you been dishonest about?
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4226 - 2012-03-29 01:43:02 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Im going to be honest about this.

When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.

Thats when it became clear he had to go.


Please post evidence of your assertion that he tried to cling to power and or weasel his way out of this.


Its already i the thread?

Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM.


Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4227 - 2012-03-29 01:45:30 UTC
doombreed52 wrote:
jita will burn.


It's not Jitas fault your leader took a -50DKP hit cause he was not where the **** he was suppose to be.

Australian Fanfest Event https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=90062

doombreed52
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#4228 - 2012-03-29 01:48:28 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.


Let's recap here.

1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game.
2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude.
3. There is a large public outcry.
4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis.
5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM).
6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest.

The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal.

I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it.




Well having now read his freak out session on EN24
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/

e.

I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets.
Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away.
I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons.
Good riddence to the guy.


good god and i thought i was a bitter hateful person you sir/ma'am/creature are one of the most hateful and angry people i have ever seen. enjoy your smugness mark the date , 30 days from now jita will burn and so will everything you hold dear in eve. enjoy the last 30 days of peace and being smug. goodbye
Styxx
Dark Shado
D.A.R.K.
#4229 - 2012-03-29 01:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Styxx
After almost 10 years of playing this game, and yes reading posts for all those years, I decided to write in because of this matter.

First, I would like to say Eve is a great game and I continue to play because of CCP and their abilities to listen and provide great content on occasion. With that cudos out of the way let's get to the point

This year I watched all of Fanfest on live stream and after watching the Alliance Forum this year I must say I found it hard to be proud of the fact I have been a member of Eve Online for almost 10 years based on the actions I saw. I found the forum a waste of my time and it made me sick (or maybe sad is a better word here) to see all the things said and done during the forum event.

I found it sad that the big (and small) Alliances members of this forum felt the need to be drunk in public, use the F-bomb word, say any cuse words they could to grab attention from another forum member, and constantly and basically act like a member of Animal House during a public and streamed event. I love beer, the F-bomb, cusing, and the movie Animal House but there is a place and time that they are appropriate to use those things and act like a high school kid. Passing a bottle of booze around on stage and telling everyone how superior you are to them and telling people to get a life is not what the Forum was for. I thought I would learn something new as always watching this but all I learned is that some people think they are bigger than the game itself and find it funny to make fun of others and push them to the point of no return. Thats not right and I guess people here agree.

During the broadcast I watched the CCP moderator just stand there but never step in which also pissed me off. It was so stupid and obvious the forum had become meaningless and was just a forum for where each member wanted to bolster his god-like image in Eve. It was obvious that bringing up a specific Eve player and calling them out was the wrong thing to do and Im glad CCP did something about it in the end. It was far too late though.

As for Mittens, it was wrong and claiming you dont remember saying what you did and said that night is just a lame excuse and is no excuse.

Skinny, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life but it seems some people feel it is.
Ai Shun
#4230 - 2012-03-29 02:03:21 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Its already i the thread?

Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM.


Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?


The Goon Web Page item:

Quote:
When in Iceland, I stumbled: my presentation was boring, I was hideously drunk, and I said something entirely regrettable. My apology upon my return was not a troll (though our in-game enemies are trying to imply it is just a calculated move); as a maniacal control freak, me getting that drunk leaves me with a foul opinion of myself and I wish I hadn’t done as I had.

-- snip ---

After I fell on my sword in public in an act of honest contrition, anyone still holding a grudge about my presentation and making ****** posts about it is probably one of GSF’s ancient foes, or someone we blew up in Eve Оnline. The same old rogue’s gallery is there – all the same faces and their NPC alts who cry in each and every anti-Goonswarm thread, every goddamned day.

-- snip ---

This isn’t to say that I didn’t act like a jackass – I fell on my sword for a good reason. But the media shitstorm is a nexus of several factors working together, accelerated by people who hate us in the game itself.

-- snip ---

I apologized personally to The Wis; There is no question that I went too far and drank too much, and ignored advice that I shouldn’t use that specific slide at all. Many of you disagree, and that’s fine; as you know, I’m kind of a squishball in person rather than an internet hardman. That said, my apology to The Wis doesn’t extend towards the gaming media who are trying to make a quick buck by whoring traffic by dumping on me without actually investigating what took place, and that apology certainly doesn’t extend to hypocritical shitbags like Jade Constantine or Issler Dainze who are explicitly trying to use this controversy to further an ingame political agenda.


His Twitter said he would resign. It did not specify from what, which was perhaps a miscommunication and he should certainly have expected everyone to pick **** out of his words.

The Mittani wrote:
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.


Trust me - I was as disgusted by his behavior as you. But it is understandable that he wanted to discuss step 2 with the CSM and perhaps CCP, isn't it?

And now he has resigned as chairman, was removed from the CSM by CCP, donated all his ISK to The Wis and has been issued with a 30-day ban.

How much more do you want? Should he come groveling at your feet at your house and kiss your boots too?

I'm starting to see the point here - it is starting to seem as if some players are trying to use this controversy to further an ingame political agenda - either to get rid of the Goonswarm or to further their own political goals within EVE Online.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4231 - 2012-03-29 02:03:51 UTC
Jita will burn.

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]

Madame Fanney
stooge in plain sight
#4232 - 2012-03-29 02:06:15 UTC
I find it humorous that “the GREAT mittani” thinks he was thrown under the bus by CCP when he was the one who knew there was more scrutiny because Sony and Dust 514, but still decided make an ass out of eve and our community. Go ahead and blow Jita up, be mad at CCp Mittens but you’re the one who made the boo boo.


SNOT SNOT

look the goons are now the crying ones
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#4233 - 2012-03-29 02:18:14 UTC
One thing that seems to have escaped the members of Goonswarm and others is that the Mittani's actions at FF could potentially bring a media storm CCP 's way where the game itself could suffer from being the subject of widespread media damnation.

Imagine what would happen if the mainstream media decides to run with this where cyber-bullying and harrassment over the internet is gaining more and more political involvement. Then look at the fact that 13+ year old children are allowed to be involved in the game and the potential is there for CCP being literally forced to change the game or lose their Teen rating if nothing else.

The elements that make EVE Online unique need to remain within the game and not spill over into internet broadcasted RL events or the potential is there for us all to eventually wear the consequences by having the game become a watered down shadow of what it once was.

Mittens gave CCP no choice but to take the action that they have and if he cares at all for the game then he should respect that.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Elmerus Juniorus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4234 - 2012-03-29 02:31:26 UTC
Krutoj wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Krutoj wrote:
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales.

With the two first points of your post I could live.

But this one, sorry, is fail!
Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes!


Missing my point is what makes this fire burn, and Mittani's tin foil moment. People with depression need professional help and support of their relatives, not mining veldspar in Eve Online and claiming to want to kill themselves.

Your posts still failed to generate any sympathy from me towards this carebear.



Lord save us from CSM members whose saving grace is being in alliances with enough members to push up their vote numbers. Well, I do know who next year I will not vote for

It's not about giving sympathy to someone who says he will commit suicide if his pixel ships are blown up. Yes, that person may or may not need professional help (let's let a real doctor decide that). It is about a person in a position of authority saying, intoxicated or otherwise, in a public televised event, "if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis, it's The Wis (spelled out)... He has his own corp. Find him.

"Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?" - words attributed to Henry II shortly before the murder of Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury by 4 knights who overheard the king and believed they were following a royal command

Sound familiar?
Jita Alt666
#4235 - 2012-03-29 02:33:53 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Im going to be honest about this.

When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.

Thats when it became clear he had to go.


Please post evidence of your assertion that he tried to cling to power and or weasel his way out of this.


Its already i the thread?

Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM.


Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?


This thread is full of conjecture masquerading as fact. Since he issued the apology, no where in this thread or in any other thread on any other forum have I seen a direct quote from The Mittani saying:
I have decided not to resign. (clinging to power)
Actually this is more CCP's fault, (weaselling way out)

Nor have I have seen anything from CCP indicating that course of events. Please note the Eve 24 leak/paste bin leak were written by the Mittani after his ban was initiated by CCP so did not contribute to the creation of the mess as you assert, but are irrelevant to your claims.

Heh. Why would I blind with rage that a drunken idiot who obviously broke the EULA terms and harassed a vulnerable player was punished by CCP? Oh wait that is another baseless assertion. Big smile
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4236 - 2012-03-29 02:34:58 UTC
Elmerus Juniorus wrote:
Krutoj wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Krutoj wrote:
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales.

With the two first points of your post I could live.

But this one, sorry, is fail!
Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes!


Missing my point is what makes this fire burn, and Mittani's tin foil moment. People with depression need professional help and support of their relatives, not mining veldspar in Eve Online and claiming to want to kill themselves.

Your posts still failed to generate any sympathy from me towards this carebear.



Lord save us from CSM members whose saving grace is being in alliances with enough members to push up their vote numbers. Well, I do know who next year I will not vote for

It's not about giving sympathy to someone who says he will commit suicide if his pixel ships are blown up. Yes, that person may or may not need professional help (let's let a real doctor decide that). It is about a person in a position of authority saying, intoxicated or otherwise, in a public televised event, "if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis, it's The Wis (spelled out)... He has his own corp. Find him.

"Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?" - words attributed to Henry II shortly before the murder of Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury by 4 knights who overheard the king and believed they were following a royal command

Sound familiar?



You think the goons know their history? LOL.

Anyway im going to go buy some plex now that CCP has done the right thing. I support correct actions. This takes the bad juju ME3 had gave me. Thanks CCP.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4237 - 2012-03-29 02:46:10 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
One thing that seems to have escaped the members of Goonswarm and others is that the Mittani's actions at FF could potentially bring a media storm CCP 's way where the game itself could suffer from being the subject of widespread media damnation.

Imagine what would happen if the mainstream media decides to run with this where cyber-bullying and harrassment over the internet is gaining more and more political involvement. Then look at the fact that 13+ year old children are allowed to be involved in the game and the potential is there for CCP being literally forced to change the game or lose their Teen rating if nothing else.

The elements that make EVE Online unique need to remain within the game and not spill over into internet broadcasted RL events or the potential is there for us all to eventually wear the consequences by having the game become a watered down shadow of what it once was.

Mittens gave CCP no choice but to take the action that they have and if he cares at all for the game then he should respect that.




Your assuming the Goons can see the big picture.


The goons have a very myopic goon centered world view. Part of what you get from the SA community.

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4238 - 2012-03-29 02:48:02 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
And now he has resigned as chairman, was removed from the CSM by CCP, donated all his ISK to The Wis and has been issued with a 30-day ban.

How much more do you want? Should he come groveling at your feet at your house and kiss your boots too?


I'm inclined to agree. Enough is enough.

Yes, the dude messed up. And yeah, he's probably not the kind of person I would hang out with, and had he met me the feeling would likely be mutual. But seriously, what more do you guys want? To see him crucified in effigy in front of Jita 4-4?

And even if he is permanently banned, so what? He can always come back with another character. So what's the point in any further whining?


Jita Alt666
#4239 - 2012-03-29 02:48:05 UTC
Elmerus Juniorus wrote:


"Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?" - words attributed to Henry II shortly before the murder of Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury by 4 knights who overheard the king and believed they were following a royal command

Sound familiar?



Wow oh Wow:
1. H2 and TB had been at each others throat for literally decades with both residing in exile in foreign countries for extended periods of time.
2. The "prize" in their battle was control over England and parts of France. H2 and TB personified the Battle between Church and Crown.
3. The murder of TB resulted in the widespread uprising of religious masses that began the process of segregation between church and state.

Please, please, do not belittle this amazing piece of anglo-saxon history that had repercussions across the globe by attempting to algin it between a drunk Internet Spaceship Pilot who gives an audience a previously unknown Internet Spaceship Pilots name and encourages others to help him commit suicide. There are parallels but this is not history in the making.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4240 - 2012-03-29 02:49:47 UTC
as everyone in the world i wanted to be in this massive threadnaught full of feelings.