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My Apology

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D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4181 - 2012-03-28 23:14:45 UTC
RP Space brothels.
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#4182 - 2012-03-28 23:17:07 UTC
apology accepted, and job well done. hope to see you next year.
Wirbin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4183 - 2012-03-28 23:18:22 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.


Let's recap here.

1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game.
2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude.
3. There is a large public outcry.
4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis.
5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM).
6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest.

The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal.

I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it.




Well having now read his freak out session on EN24
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/

I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets.
Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away.
I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons.
Good riddence to the guy.


lol you have an rp space brothel, kill yourself
Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4184 - 2012-03-28 23:18:43 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)

Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.

Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.


I might agree with you if this had to do with the CSM, but it doesn't so the "absolute minimum" he needed to do was apologize, if he personally felt responsible to do so. If he had said every word he said in Jita local to an audience of 1500+, no one would have blinked an eye about it. In the end this was The Mittani saying something about The Wiz (or whatever his name is) with regards to EVE at an EVE event. He didn't find and give everyone his real name and address, he didn't mail him anthrax, he didn't even say "Good, kill yourself." The panel show was how people react to our actions in game. You can try to say he's a representative of the player base, but that doesn't mean that he needs to have infinite love and respect for what people say over the internet. (For the non-goons in the audience, he's the third person in recent memory that mentioned self-harm after losing their assets. We hear it often enough by people who want stuff back from scams/want sympathy for losses.) In American politics you do not need to love and agree with the religious right to run as a left-leaning democrat.

What we are seeing is people who despise goons writing the most eloquent posts they have in years trying to close the deal with his stepping down, while goons and allies ask, "What does it have to do with the politics of EVE?" and independent-minded people (including most of the CSM who actually know him) saying, "You can (and sometimes say should) apologize, but don't step down because you've brought good changes about."

Ai Shun
#4185 - 2012-03-28 23:19:31 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well having now read his freak out session on EN24
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/

I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets.
Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away.
I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons.
Good riddence to the guy.


Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game.
Eloriena
Makers And Movers
#4186 - 2012-03-28 23:21:24 UTC
OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person.
Liam Mirren
#4187 - 2012-03-28 23:23:09 UTC
Funny how that evenews post makes it all sound like a "nono, I planned this at the 2006 BBQ", "Me not being in the CSM is for the better trust me" and "I chose to resign".

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#4188 - 2012-03-28 23:23:45 UTC
D Derp wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.


Let's recap here.

1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game.
2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude.
3. There is a large public outcry.
4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis.
5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM).
6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest.

The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal.

I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it.




Well having now read his freak out session on EN24
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/

I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets.
Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away.
I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons.
Good riddence to the guy.


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Hi Jade, you seem to be trying to be relevant again. Stop it.



Relevant enough to get name-checked as one of the people your ex "king of space" chose to rage against on EN24 it seems. Must sting that he knows my name in a way he will never know yours.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Jean-Derp deCurrency
ISKesis Trust Fund
#4189 - 2012-03-28 23:23:53 UTC
Eloriena wrote:
OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude don't bring your irl **** into eve nobody cares go whine somewhere else kthxbye


Fixed that for you.
Ai Shun
#4190 - 2012-03-28 23:23:56 UTC
Eloriena wrote:
OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person.


Try to keep up.

He has apologised, donated his ISK and resigned as CSM chair. He has also been removed from the CSM and had a 30 day ban issued.

The actions are there.
Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#4191 - 2012-03-28 23:28:23 UTC
There is hope now that this game will not be ruled by blobbing fucks after all \o/
Highlander20s
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4192 - 2012-03-28 23:29:18 UTC
i see the apology but dont believe it, if you can come out with the crap you did then you mean it, dont speak what you think then try back chatting because you suddenly realise what you have said. You are scum your words are scum and a 30 day ban is pish, and i know there will be the usual goon that post replies saying how great you are and how much a wanker i am but that is goon and i dont care a sod for them. I just hope you hang your head in shame and fook of.
Salem Aurilen
You Sunk My Battleship
#4193 - 2012-03-28 23:30:30 UTC
Somewhere Darius is victory dancing, i just know it.
Eloriena
Makers And Movers
#4194 - 2012-03-28 23:31:33 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Eloriena wrote:
OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person.


Try to keep up.

He has apologised, donated his ISK and resigned as CSM chair. He has also been removed from the CSM and had a 30 day ban issued.

The actions are there.


Those are all passive acts: ISK isn't real; the CSM chairmanship is ephemeral and a 30 day ban is not harsh. Do you really think that the victim in this is going to recover from their illness with some ISK and the knowledge that their tormentor will be gone for just 30 days ? What I was getting at is the need to see a change in the OP's actions in future.
Salem Aurilen
You Sunk My Battleship
#4195 - 2012-03-28 23:39:04 UTC
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Those are all passive acts: ISK isn't real; the CSM chairmanship is ephemeral and a 30 day ban is not harsh. Do you really think that the victim in this is going to recover from their illness with some ISK and the knowledge that their tormentor will be gone for just 30 days ? What I was getting at is the need to see a change in the OP's actions in future.
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The victim can rest assured that given this community reaction that nobody is going to attempt to bully him in the future and besides the chatter on Something Awful this guy isn't going to be interesting anymore in about a weeks time. And what else do you expect The Mittani to do, take an oath to never cause a single tear again because somebody somewhere might commit suicide over it?

Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#4196 - 2012-03-28 23:39:33 UTC
You sir, have regained my respect, and then some. People taking responsibility like that is not something I see every day, and I respect it a lot.

Proud of our CSM. :D

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Perkone
Caldari State
#4197 - 2012-03-28 23:51:27 UTC
Jonathan Malcom wrote:
The Wis wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care.



he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post.

He took his time to think about what happened.

People do that sometimes.

instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it.


I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think.



No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think.
I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question.
Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house.
And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it.
I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further.

Thanks all for the support and the kind words.


Dear "The Wis"

Your attempts to use your real life problems to guilt trip people who ganked you into reimbrusing you are reprehensible and completely indefensible. We are not your friends, your family or you support group. We do not care about your issues. Your eve-mail was a transparent and despicable attempt at emotional manipulation and you should be openly ridiculed for it.

Your personal problems have no business in my spaceship game. Deal with it ~


UMADBRO?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#4198 - 2012-03-28 23:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Ai Shun wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well having now read his freak out session on EN24
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/

I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets.
Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away.
I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons.
Good riddence to the guy.


Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game.


Welp, this obviously only leaves me one course of action... pick up a Tornado BP and start cranking them out in Amarr, and possibly start looking into building freighters..Big smile

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George Holden
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4199 - 2012-03-28 23:58:20 UTC
Love how people can't accept apologies, and it's hilarious how big a fuzz can be made about such "minor" things while we let people die to hunger and diseases. Oh wait we can't be arsed to care about those as well because we must take care of our big problems first like iPhones running low on battery. Just my general opinion by the way.

Facts:
- Mittens is still there unless carebear ninja assassins murder him IRL
- Mittens influence is still there although some part of the people are mad now because words in our community are not worth what they were
- Jita will burn
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4200 - 2012-03-28 23:58:28 UTC
So wheres the downfall vid on youtube then?Big smile