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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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MindRanger
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1841 - 2012-03-27 04:19:26 UTC
I, for one, think former President Clinton deserved every good oral treatment there is from Ms. Lewinsky - with no repercussions whatsoever.

In particular since it has no effect on me at all. No apology needed.

However, the political and corporate world are not as forgiving, and Mr. Clinton had to face the consequences.

And so for Mittens.

Cheers

orphenshadow wrote:
MindRanger wrote:
Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse.
Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely.

Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did.

orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.





The gravity of what mittens did has no effect on you at all.

The only thing It did was enrage a bunch of people who were already bitter that he wont the election by such a landslide.

He manned up and apologized for his actions. He also went a step further and reached out to the pilot and made amends in private.

I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly.


Candente
Navy Veteran Club
#1842 - 2012-03-27 04:19:42 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.

Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?


Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony.

* anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull


TruthState wrote:
This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference.


Right, that's why it took so long for anyone to ask what The Wis thought of any of this (a.k.a. the "victim"), and then continue to ignore it when it didn't support the narrative.

This is 100% because it's The Mittani that said it, and if you think otherwise, then you're delusional as hell.


I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest.
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1843 - 2012-03-27 04:19:54 UTC
I'm also fairly certain that CCP does not consider killing mining barges as greifing.
Dan Massell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1844 - 2012-03-27 04:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Massell
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,

10,058 people don't agree with you.


does it matter that other 290,000 people are utterly disgusted and sickened?
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1845 - 2012-03-27 04:24:12 UTC
So, were we, like, ALL supposed to convo The Wis, or just the people at Fanfest?
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1846 - 2012-03-27 04:24:31 UTC
Yeah because everyone was already looking for any excuse to drag him through the mud. Which is exactly the same in this case.

and we all saw how awesome the US became after Clinton.

MindRanger wrote:
I, for one, think former President Clinton deserved every good oral treatment there is from Ms. Lewinsky - with no repercussions whatsoever.

In particular since it has no effect on me at all. No apology needed.

However, the political and corporate world are not as forgiving, and Mr. Clinton had to face the consequences.

And so for Mittens.

Cheers

orphenshadow wrote:
MindRanger wrote:
Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse.
Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely.

Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did.

orphenshadow wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.


No, It was not.

He did not give the players real name.

He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.

In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.

I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.

this is eve so HTFU.





The gravity of what mittens did has no effect on you at all.

The only thing It did was enrage a bunch of people who were already bitter that he wont the election by such a landslide.

He manned up and apologized for his actions. He also went a step further and reached out to the pilot and made amends in private.

I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly.



GeeShizzle MacCloud
#1847 - 2012-03-27 04:24:32 UTC
you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?

its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.


tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute.
Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#1848 - 2012-03-27 04:27:47 UTC
I'm fairly certain that when asked about what 'griefing' or 'harassment' was, CCP said that repeatedly targeting a single person was the *defininition* of harassment.

That's without the fact that The Mittani phrased at as "Make him kill himself", which would be incitement to extreme harassment on it's own.

He broke the EULA, and needs to be punished for it.
He said something which was extremely offensive and needs to show genuine remorse.
One post and 10b does not make remorse, it covers his ass.

CCP should decide whether whether an account suspension or ban is in order, and the CSM should be asked for input in the decision regarding whether he should be allowed to continue as a CSM, and as a chairman.

But it's simply not in question whether he broke the rules or not.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1849 - 2012-03-27 04:29:34 UTC
Is it okay to post images of chatlogs ere? Could someone please reply?

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
MindRanger
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1850 - 2012-03-27 04:29:57 UTC
Yes. This is why we have elections.
So that the chairman forcefully relieved of his position can appoint his successor?

In Soviet Russia the president can appoint his successor. Everywhere else, not.

Candente wrote:
I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#1851 - 2012-03-27 04:30:01 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly.

Pretty sure no one cares what you think. Just sayin'

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1852 - 2012-03-27 04:34:05 UTC
Candente wrote:
I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest.


He didn't generate bad publicity for CCP, CCP did. They put a livestreaming camera in front of a drunk guy and let it linger for a good, long while. They don't get to act all shocked and awed then the drunk guy says something problematic, as drunk people tend to do that. CCP actually vetting his presentation (i.e. having no issue with him even beinging The Wis and the original email up in the first place) is just icing on that cake.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1853 - 2012-03-27 04:36:04 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?

its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.


tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute.


It's nothing about that at all.

Its like you said he made his amends.

That's the entire point.


Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias.

He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this.

So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#1854 - 2012-03-27 04:37:05 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Candente wrote:
I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest.


He didn't generate bad publicity for CCP, CCP did. They put a livestreaming camera in front of a drunk guy and let it linger for a good, long while. They don't get to act all shocked and awed then the drunk guy says something problematic, as drunk people tend to do that. CCP actually vetting his presentation (i.e. having no issue with him even beinging The Wis and the original email up in the first place) is just icing on that cake.


the issue wasnt with the email he read out that was in the presentation, it was his comments in the Q & A section m8... CCP cant vet that unless theyve a f**king time machine, and try as he might, i dont think veritas has that kind of coding genius in him.
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1855 - 2012-03-27 04:37:48 UTC
Dan Massell wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,

10,058 people don't agree with you.


does it matter that other 290,000 people are utterly disgusted and sickened?


Do you have a firm statistic to support your argument?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1856 - 2012-03-27 04:39:57 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
the issue wasnt with the email he read out that was in the presentation, it was his comments in the Q & A section m8... CCP cant vet that unless theyve a f**king time machine, and try as he might, i dont think veritas has that kind of coding genius in him.


Admittedly, the slide/email was sort of a secondary thing, but it was pretty clear that CCP didn't mind him "going there" so to speak. That's just pretty stupid to do if you're livestreaming this to at minimum a playerbase full of people who have any number of reasons to dislike Mittens already. Letting him present anyway when he was as drunk as he was is doubly stupid.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Xantor Bludberry
#1857 - 2012-03-27 04:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Xantor Bludberry
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
I would like to call for the resignation of “The Mittani” in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are “expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.”

For those who are unfamiliar with The Mittani’s misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide.

CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries.

When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior. If a no-name player like me incites thousands of EVE Online players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I would have been banned by CCP without question. By the tone of his postings, he is completely unapologetic of his misconduct. Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants?

For the future of the CSM, please consider the dismissal of The Mittani from CSM.

EDIT #1
Great job, Mittani the Great. It seems like on the first week of your CSM chairmanship, you are able to garner a distinguished recognition from gaming website. Fantastic job. You make all of us look like idiots.

EDIT #2
Yes! Another media coverage thanks to Mittani the Great! Keep up the excellent work.

EDIT #3
Mittani the Great, you really know how to bring media coverage to our beloved game. A+ for your outstanding CSM Chairmanship. More media coverage!

EDIT #4
People say third time is the charm. Fourth media coverage? I am not sure.

EDIT #5
Let it rain. Another more thorough media coverage of Mittani the Great's awesomeness.

EDIT #6
This is certainly a HUGE NEWS now that MASSIVELY is involved. Refer to the following media coverage for in-depth report.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! BUTTHURT DETECTED!!!! Whine MOAR!!!!! OMG, sweet loosers tears!.... Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile
This is EVEeeeEeeee!!!!!
Lord Fargo
Thirsty Beaver
#1858 - 2012-03-27 04:41:14 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?

its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.


tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute.


It's nothing about that at all.

Its like you said he made his amends.

That's the entire point.


Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias.

He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this.

So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.


I love FA best pets we have imo
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#1859 - 2012-03-27 04:41:47 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?

its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.


tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute.


It's nothing about that at all.

Its like you said he made his amends.

That's the entire point.


Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias.

He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this.

So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.


i totally agree... but what im aggitated at is some of these guys coming to alex's defence basically saying cyber bullying is harmless and people should HTFU, and quite obviously saying this while stone cold sober.

difference was mittens said what he said practically wasted, and these pricks are saying "...ohh yahh +1 to that' without the rediculous drunken haze and moral vacuum that can sometimes follow it.
Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#1860 - 2012-03-27 04:42:13 UTC
orphenshadow wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?

its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.


tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute.


It's nothing about that at all.

Its like you said he made his amends.

That's the entire point.


Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias.

He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this.

So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.


I think so far in my life I have never laughed and told someone to go kill themselves. Much less told "six thousand of my closest friends" to also go tell someone to go kill themselves. If this had been a person who was genuinely unhappy, to whom EVE is important (much like it is to The Mittani), then this level of planned methodical abuse could easily be devastating.

Do you really deny that in slightly different circumstances, his actions could have caused serious harm to another player? That his actions were with little regard to what damage they might cause?