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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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The F Word
Doomheim
#2641 - 2012-03-28 15:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: The F Word
CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2642 - 2012-03-28 15:43:46 UTC
SOV Diplomat wrote:
You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.


Says someone who doesn't have any kills or losses. Lol
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2643 - 2012-03-28 15:44:52 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
Laying it to rest.

This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.

The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:

1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it.
2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.



not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani


Yes, ban him for something outside of the game!

Some people's logic is gloriously bad.


If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Surely that would mean he couldn't be CSM chair anymore since he wouldn't be allowed to represent the CSM at fanfest?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2644 - 2012-03-28 15:49:19 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#2645 - 2012-03-28 15:54:29 UTC
The F Word wrote:
CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.

I think there are far more outcomes than those 3... 'Nothing happens' is clearly a likely outcome, however as CCP themselves have created a petition against him for player harassment we're most likely looking at either your option 2 or 3.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2646 - 2012-03-28 15:54:35 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?



Just imagine it, you about to enter fanfest...then they force you to read the 10 pages worth of EULA/TOS, all in small print. I would rather about turn and go to the local brew.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2647 - 2012-03-28 15:56:30 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?


Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#2648 - 2012-03-28 15:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nylith Empyreal
Jade Constantine wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?


Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?


Don't think it matters what happens to his accounts as opposed to being locked up in which he wouldn't get to play those accounts anyway. Which I'm surprised there has been no legal backlash about this beyond these petty talks of EULA and TOS.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2649 - 2012-03-28 15:58:57 UTC
honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...

10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
The F Word
Doomheim
#2650 - 2012-03-28 15:59:04 UTC
Arrs Grazznic wrote:
The F Word wrote:
CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.

I think there are far more outcomes than those 3... 'Nothing happens' is clearly a likely outcome, however as CCP themselves have created a petition against him for player harassment we're most likely looking at either your option 2 or 3.


Of course, but the solution has become binary regardless, for one side to win, one side must lose. Doing nothing will have an outcome in and of itself. I'm guessing the 2nd or 3rd.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2651 - 2012-03-28 15:59:53 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?


Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?


Yes, I see no legal basis for banning such a player from Eve Online, ordinary real-life charges aside.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#2652 - 2012-03-28 15:59:56 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?



Just imagine it, you about to enter fanfest...then they force you to read the 10 pages worth of EULA/TOS, all in small print. I would rather about turn and go to the local brew.



There are general rules of conduct that you don't have to sign, which you are accountable for. They're called laws.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2653 - 2012-03-28 16:02:14 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?


Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?


Don't think it matters what happens to his accounts as opposed to being locked up in which he wouldn't get to play those accounts anyway. Which I'm surprised there has been no legal backlash about this beyond these petty talks of EULA and TOS.


Well thats kind of the point. CCP have a line in the TOS that basically says "we can ban all your accounts anytime we want to if we think it appropriate" and its a catch all for this kind of thing.

Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2654 - 2012-03-28 16:02:44 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:
KanashiiKami wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
Laying it to rest.

This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.

The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:

1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it.
2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.



not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani


Yes, ban him for something outside of the game!

Some people's logic is gloriously bad.


If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Surely that would mean he couldn't be CSM chair anymore since he wouldn't be allowed to represent the CSM at fanfest?


I do believe that it would!

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2655 - 2012-03-28 16:03:04 UTC
The whole situation reminds me of the Secret Service investigating Eminem about the "I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead." lyrics.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2656 - 2012-03-28 16:04:09 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?


Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?


Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?


Yes, I see no legal basis for banning such a player from Eve Online, ordinary real-life charges aside.


Let me point you at the line in the TOS that will be used to ban you.

(you agree with this when you login to game and pay your sub)

Quote:
"CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user’s account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.

We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation."

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
KanashiiKami
#2657 - 2012-03-28 16:05:05 UTC
The F Word wrote:
CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.



i do not think goons will be bent ... when CCP impose perma lifetime BAN on him. who knows some one in goons might just get synapses shorted and start another icegank episode?

so goons will still be goons (i m pretty sure about that), and the entire swarm of like minded with whateva they do in EVE (scamming, griefing, etc etc).

it will merely send a strong message, that inciting/suggesting actual violence/suicide or wadeva to that degree on another player in the real physical world does not sit well with CCP, and for that matter us players as well. and for that matter any other game ...

so CCP pls do consider PERMA BAN. who knows because of this piece of good news, people might just come back to subs and replay this game ...

WUT ???
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2658 - 2012-03-28 16:06:36 UTC
KanashiiKami wrote:
The F Word wrote:
CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.



i do not think goons will be bent ... when CCP impose perma lifetime BAN on him. who knows some one in goons might just get synapses shorted and start another icegank episode?

so goons will still be goons (i m pretty sure about that), and the entire swarm of like minded with whateva they do in EVE (scamming, griefing, etc etc).

it will merely send a strong message, that inciting/suggesting actual violence/suicide or wadeva to that degree on another player in the real physical world does not sit well with CCP, and for that matter us players as well. and for that matter any other game ...

so CCP pls do consider PERMA BAN. who knows because of this piece of good news, people might just come back to subs and replay this game ...


Somewhere, your English teacher is sobbing into her Cheerios.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2659 - 2012-03-28 16:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
Jade Constantine wrote:

Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.


My opinion is should such a case go in court, the CCP would have hard time explaining how sending death threats outside EVE constitutes a breach of contract.

If someone sent a death threat to Bill Gates, does this invalidate his Windows or Office licenses?

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
KanashiiKami
#2660 - 2012-03-28 16:08:46 UTC
"CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user’s account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.

We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation."

i am sure CCP will issue a short statement when they BAN him for life. after that, game web community will spread the news like fire .... "cyber bully gets life ban" ... which is = good message

WUT ???