EVE General Discussion

[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get.

[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get.

Do you not know the difference between cyber bullying and griefing? This is clearly griefing. Cyber bullying is repeatedly going after this guy again and again constantly. Bringing up an old story during a presentation and making fun of the conversation once and not constantly harassing this guy is not cyber bullying. How does this differ from any number of the greifing and smack talking that goes on in the game, on the forums, on third party websites, evenews24, kugu etc. etc.? Its every pvp players given right to smack talk and give crap to people who are stupid and explode to make a huge deal out of losing internet spaceships and pixels. Every alliance and corp is guilty of it and everyone has done it. Nobody makes light of the people walking up to the mic when Mittens is sober and trying to do a CSM panel and gets bombarded with players not asking questions and only wanting to say he is a douchebag and he sucks etc.! Why isnt that cyberbullying? Why doesnt that get shamed on? Oh yeah... its because nobody cares and its all in good fun and its part of the game and the experience in being in a perpetually changing world of pvp fun and hilarity.

The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....

Wow, you guys really are shameless.

So, mittens could lose his seat on the CSM for a miner offence?

busy little bees, give me your sweet nectar tears

goon tears best tears

So, by your own admission no goon actually fulfilled this 'cyber bullying attack', which logically means that the attack never really took place. Or are we going by Minority Report standards?

Also, I don't suppose you happen to have proof that I'm a goon do you, or is this just another error on your part?

Not exactly.

Minor sentence, major offense.