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CSM The Mittani's Misconduct Calls for Resignation - We Did It!

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2141 - 2012-03-27 16:10:36 UTC
low26 wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
low26 wrote:

If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS


And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion

Quote:

unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas

Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.


From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.



Goon alts need not reply P



And how is this relevant at all to my post or to me?

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2142 - 2012-03-27 16:11:06 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.

~10,058~


Came here to see this

Saw this

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I ♥ the orthrus
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#2143 - 2012-03-27 16:15:24 UTC
Guys he has apologised. Thats the end of the matter for me. Also isn't it interesting how people are talking of bullying and cyber harassment on this thread are now attacking The Mittani in the very same manner...
What a great community... I thought it was our strength... I was wrong.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2144 - 2012-03-27 16:15:49 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:

And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion

How will CCP have any credibility if they don't remove him? Its not like he said they stuffed up, so they got rid of him. He stuffed up royally and needs to be removed.


Very simple. CCP are not responsible about words or actions of any single individual, who is not officially acting on their behalf.

CSM are not official CCP representatives, they are official player representatives.


Wrong.

+ The CSM is a body created by CCP
+ CSM reps receive benefits from CCP (air travel, merchandise etc)
+ CCP oversees the regulation of the CSM
+ Without CCP, there is no CSM

Personally I doubt the future of the CSM. It has become a major liability issue for CCP. In future, they'll probably just fly in focus groups who will be bound to NDAs.


About your first "point", if you cared to actually read what I wrote, you would have noticed that I said "CSM are", NOT "CSM is", which clearly indicates that I speak about the actual people, as opposed to speaking about the body.

The rest of you "points" are just written off as bunch inconsequential words bearing no relevant semantics.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2145 - 2012-03-27 16:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
papamike wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.

There is no excuse.

What does RL job title got to do with it? I would have judged him the same if he was unemployed, if he was a bartender, if he was a doctor, if he was a lawyer, if he collected the garbage.

I care not.


It's like when a firefighter puts a bunch of boxes in front of the emergency exit, or smokes in bed and sets their house on fire. It's one of those things they should just know better because it's their job.

Sort of like a lawyer/paralegal whatever knowing that cyberbullying is a crime - because it's their job to know.

Jesus we have some idiots on these forums.


Cyberbullying requires the participants be underaged children, by definition. By continuing to spout off the Cyberbullying crap you're just making yourselves out to be complete and utter dumbfucks. Of course, you're an NPC sockpuppet alt, so you're a dumbfuck coward by definition, so... welp.

It's ******* EVE, if you're shocked at someone being mean and mocking fake suicide threats, you are playing the wrong ******* game. Go find a copy of X3: Terran Conflict, you'll enjoy it better.


But hey, lets assume for a moment that a law designed to protect a bunch of helpless little kids applies to 30 year old men. Lets take this albsolutely pants on head ******** worldview, just for a second -- not too long now, acting this stupid hurts. Even if it did apply, cyberbullying still requires it take place on the Internet, and as everyone is quick to point out, "this wasn't in EVE it was on the panel zomg horror." That's the "CYBER" part, geddit?

Except since it wasn't in EVE it doesn't break any CCP rules but that doesn't matter cause "it's totally an EVE function cause a CCP employee was within a 500 mile radius zomg horror."

You stupid dipshits will contort yourself in any which way to try and find some way to argue that Mittani is a VERY BAD MAN.

It's EVE. It's full of very bad men! It's called a Sandbox for a reason. That's what makes it unique and special and fun as hell.

Grow some balls or get the **** out.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2146 - 2012-03-27 16:25:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
get your tinfoil hats and consider the following:

the mittani announces his willingness to step down as CSM chairman and shortly after CCP rows back on the scheduled titan nerfs

just a coincidence?
SpaceBenfish
Perkone
Caldari State
#2147 - 2012-03-27 16:25:38 UTC
We all know how easy it is to troll the general eve player base and the media, but trolling the Mittani doesn't happen everyday.

I'm a bit impressed.
Alexander Taos
Falco Industries
#2148 - 2012-03-27 16:26:47 UTC
How come no one is addressing the issue that the "victim" in this case was only saying he was going to kill himself in order to get compensation from getting ganked?


I think the whole "I'm going to kill myself" was crap from the start because of the following:

1. It happened months ago.
2. He's still playing today.
3. He accepted a ton of cash from The Mitanni
4. He accepted an apology from The Mitanni
5. He hasn't made any public comments about it, other than a log paste that shows he thinks it stupid, but other than that, no outrage whatsoever.


low26
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#2149 - 2012-03-27 16:30:05 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
low26 wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
low26 wrote:

If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS


And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion

Quote:

unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas

Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.


From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.



Goon alts need not reply P



And how is this relevant at all to my post or to me?


It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent Lol
Prince Kobol
#2150 - 2012-03-27 16:30:42 UTC
Xython wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
papamike wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.

There is no excuse.

What does RL job title got to do with it? I would have judged him the same if he was unemployed, if he was a bartender, if he was a doctor, if he was a lawyer, if he collected the garbage.

I care not.


It's like when a firefighter puts a bunch of boxes in front of the emergency exit, or smokes in bed and sets their house on fire. It's one of those things they should just know better because it's their job.

Sort of like a lawyer/paralegal whatever knowing that cyberbullying is a crime - because it's their job to know.

Jesus we have some idiots on these forums.


Cyberbullying requires the participants be underaged children, by definition. By continuing to spout off the Cyberbullying crap you're just making yourselves out to be complete and utter dumbfucks. Of course, you're an NPC sockpuppet alt, so you're a dumbfuck coward by definition, so... welp.

It's ******* EVE, if you're shocked at someone being mean and mocking fake suicide threats, you are playing the wrong ******* game. Go find a copy of X3: Terran Conflict, you'll enjoy it better.


But hey, lets assume for a moment that a law designed to protect a bunch of helpless little kids applies to 30 year old men. Lets take this albsolutely pants on head ******** worldview, just for a second -- not too long now, acting this stupid hurts. Even if it did apply, cyberbullying still requires it take place on the Internet, and as everyone is quick to point out, "this wasn't in EVE it was on the panel zomg horror." That's the "CYBER" part, geddit?

Except since it wasn't in EVE it doesn't break any CCP rules but that doesn't matter cause "it's totally an EVE function cause a CCP employee was within a 500 mile radius zomg horror."

You stupid dipshits will contort yourself in any which way to try and find some way to argue that Mittani is a VERY BAD MAN.

It's EVE. It's full of very bad men! It's called a Sandbox for a reason. That's what makes it unique and special and fun as hell.

Grow some balls or get the **** out.


You do realise that you are doing exactly what those who want The Mittani to be removed form the CSM and banned want don't you?

Also, I suspect you are talking about the Laws in the US? Now I'm not sure, and this is a guess, but people from other countries also play Eve and their laws are different.

So for example in the UK there a 5 different laws you can be arrested for when it comes to Cyber Bullying and none of those laws have an age limit.

I also know that Australia they are very tetchy when it comes to computer games and violence.

So whilst no laws may of been broken, the press fall out could greatly effect the reputation of CCP. Lets put it is this, lets say that in the UK and Australia, 2 countries that love to slam computer games pick up on the story, they do a bit of digging and see what Eve is famous for and the kind of language that is used both in game and on the forums is used.

They see that Eve is only rated for TEEN, inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen. There would be such an outcry it would be unbelievable.

Its media attention like that which can cause harm to Eve.
RogueMind
KnightHammer Industries
#2151 - 2012-03-27 16:30:50 UTC  |  Edited by: RogueMind
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:


From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.


Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve.


From a PR perspective, people have laughed harder and longer at some of the things CCP has done to itself.
CCP has done more damage to CCP than Mittani will ever do with a grief job.
Sounds like theres no hard feelings between Mittani and Wis, Mittani apologized.
Salem Aurilen
You Sunk My Battleship
#2152 - 2012-03-27 16:31:25 UTC
The depressing aspect to all of this is that one guy is an unwitting catalyst to this drama which is going to result in harassment from both sides of this argument and the most respectful thing anybody that is trying to show this guy a bit of sympathy can do is hold their tongue and let CCP investigate this quietly and without incident.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2153 - 2012-03-27 16:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Prince Kobol wrote:
They see that Eve is only rated for TEEN, inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen. There would be such an outcry it would be unbelievable.

all online interactions with other players in EVE are unrated - I can't check right now, but I'm pretty sure that is prominently displayed on the log in screen (at least it used to be).

Quote:
Online Rating Notice

Online-enabled games carry the notice "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB." This notice warns those who intend to play the game online about possible exposure to chat (text, audio, video) or other types of user-generated content (e.g., maps, skins) that have not been considered in the ESRB rating assignment.

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#2154 - 2012-03-27 16:33:49 UTC
Does anyone know if the guy with 23 accounts who was botting has been banned yet?

Rules are still rules.
Wyatt 3arp
SPTC-IC
#2155 - 2012-03-27 16:35:16 UTC
SOoooo funny when you see goons asking someone to HTFU. Its not like they have been crying for years for ccp to shape the game for them, bcause of their lack of effort/focus. "but but ze sandbox,,,11!!1"
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#2156 - 2012-03-27 16:36:03 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Allataria wrote:
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.

People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.


You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.



Then they are reporting it wrong.

So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".

It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2157 - 2012-03-27 16:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalathia Eginald
RougeOperator wrote:
Real adults know when to admit they are wrong. Are we surprised by the goons not getting it?


True, but whose defanition of a real adult are you going to use. Again this is a personal interpretation. I am fastly approaching the crest of the hill yet I still play games some would see that as not the behaviour appropriate of an adult. Yet they do not know that the average age of games is a lot older than the teenage crowd.

Maturity and cronology are not necessarily the same thing. I havedone many jobs in my working life and I have seen examples of extremely immature 40 and 50+ year old people let alone those in their 20s, and I have also seen some extremely mature behaviour from kids below the age of majority.

As I have said elsewhere can't remember if it was this thread or another, senaility is setting in as the crest of the hill approaches, I was raised to see an appology as a sign of a personal strength, some are raised the opposite and see appoogies as a sign of weakness.

Instinct can also over ride logic or rational thought. If I am backed into a corner I come out all claws sharpened and woe betide anyone who gets in my way. However I could be totally in the wrong at that point, and only with hindsight will I see it. As it is things are still too heated for those who are in opposing camps to see each others side of the argument let alone acknowledge if they have a valid point.

I will say again however the value or lack there of of an appology can only be based on the intent of the person making it not what their friends think of it.

As to the question of suprise I can not answer it I am too new to the game to have any knowledge of them.
Z2ZzzzZ2Z
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2158 - 2012-03-27 16:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Z2ZzzzZ2Z
ShahFluffers wrote:
Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law.


Well said. Sad that CCP condones such actions by allowing him to speak for all players of the community. Elected by 10k {uniformed individuals who lack the knowledge and understanding to conduct themselves without assistance} doesn't give you carte blanche behave sub human. There are real people who spend a lot of time playing this game and ones actions can have real consequences. Steal some one's pixels ... fair enough... encouraging someone to end their life is yet another... telling the masses to encourage someone to kill them is disgusting. As human beings we need to say that that is unacceptable.
Alexander Taos
Falco Industries
#2159 - 2012-03-27 16:39:58 UTC
Z2ZzzzZ2Z wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law.


Well said. Sad that CCP condones such actions by allowing him to speak for all players of the community. Elected by 10k retards doesn't give you carte blanche behave sub human. There are real people who spend a lot of time playing this game and ones actions can have real consequences. Steal some one's pixels ... fair enough... encouraging someone to end their life is yet another... telling the masses to encourage someone to kill them is disgusting. As human beings we need to say that that is unacceptable.


As a human being, you should also be called out for calling people retards.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2160 - 2012-03-27 16:43:10 UTC
Wyatt 3arp wrote:
SOoooo funny when you see goons asking someone to HTFU. Its not like they have been crying for years for ccp to shape the game for them, bcause of their lack of effort/focus. "but but ze sandbox,,,11!!1"




Some of the mad titan pilots posting here are more obvious than others!