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Genesis Miners --- are y'all Asleep ?
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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#41 - 2012-03-22 12:43:12 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Plenty of those were full T2 fit, dual Invuln

Damage taken 5200
Damage taken 5800

tech 2 ship, Tech 2 fit, popped by solo Cat's and some how it's thier fault they didn't super gimp thier fit.

No worries, it will be a long time coming before CCP do anything.

I could manage 20k EHP with an active tank, shield rigs and one DCU II and MLU II when I mined in Insmother.
But I guess the NPCs in nullsec are a bigger threat then suicide ganking then highsec, judging by these fits I'm looking at.
Most of these victims didn't even bother to fill out their midslots.
Why should I feel sorry for them?


Except, they will just bring another friend in another destroyer. End of story for the hulk.


And the Hulk pilot will just add more tank at the expense of yield to counter that one extra dessie.

I have seen people propose buffing the Hulk or exhumers or barges in general, but I don't see the point since they are just fine to me. The Hulk is the most versatile of all mining ships as it can always sacrifice more yield in favor of more tank and vice versa. It's a trade off no matter what, just like any other ship has to go through. This is why I normally oppose any changes to the Exhumer with exception to the skill tree arrangement which currently makes no sense. At one point, the Hulk even served as a formidable pvp ship for baiting can flippers in high-sec space before CCP decided to nerf energy vamp modules. Click here for video.

Adapt or Die
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2012-03-22 12:44:17 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:


Of course its also "PVP" so anyone complaining about it is a carebear who hates EVE.



Your post was actually intelligent until you typed THIS.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2012-03-22 12:46:13 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:

No worries, it will be a long time coming before CCP do anything.


The did do something! They removed insurance payouts. Do you have any clue how hard it is to make back the nearly 2mil isk you lose when ganking with a T1 fit Catalyst? L2PcanIhazurstufHTFUgoplayWoW!

/sarc



2 million ISK is a pansy amount ingame. This matters not at all to solo gankiers. Not even taking candy away here...........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#44 - 2012-03-22 12:47:26 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
The miners in Genesis are aware of the problem.


Happens everyday, everywhere.



I doubt it. This is a mass slaughter by one TOON. If THAT many are AFK, something is WAY wrong here.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2012-03-22 12:48:28 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

Stop being a rabbit and can flip, gank, steal, scam because that's what the real Eve Online game is about, but if you don't, then you will always be a poor victim just because you like it.




This is just so stupidly wrong.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2012-03-22 12:49:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Think of me as a forum Suicide ganker.

Who's the forum Concord?


CCP Phantom

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2012-03-22 12:51:13 UTC
Andski wrote:

know your place son



THIS is getting REAL WRONG.

You guys need to get a room or something............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#48 - 2012-03-22 12:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Katrina D'Neese wrote:
Thing I don't understand is, miners would be the ones that notice most bots so should be able to report them but if this is not happening then are the miners themselves not botting?



I gank the Ice Bots as much as possible, and report them and report the botting Hulks.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#49 - 2012-03-22 12:54:45 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
This is like if in RL somebody would only be checked at a town entrance and then let free to slaugther anybody afterwards.


I'm all for getting EVE close to RL. It's quite strange to have the police to appear out of nowhere just 5 seconds after the first shot was fired. That totally unrealistic, isn't it?


Not with Warp Light Speed involved.Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#50 - 2012-03-22 12:56:19 UTC
Cain Blazed wrote:
Confirmed, they are not bots! Its just not possible for the exhumers to get away when they land at 0, and tackle. The situation seems to be 2 corporations or 1 corporation with npc corp alts. One provide the warpins and ships, while the corporation in this case goes for the kills. Not much to do for these industrials atm. If they move, they will be followed. Such is the game mechanics. I assume that this will end in these people quitting the game, as there is no game in just sitting in a station for industrial affiliated people. You can't defend against this type of ganking. The only solution would to either move into lower security or a wormhole. But I doubt that will happen, as many people don't have the rl time for such a commitment.

Btw, im not part of the gankers or the miners in the area, just a observer Roll


AS SOON AS THE GUY ENTERS LOCAL -------- DOCK UP. SHEESH.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-22 13:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Shogun Archer wrote:
D scan?

Get some corp mates with guns?


Your align/warp time is so slow I could do at least 2 trips of 100AU before you warp out, if you fit for tank it's worst, if you fit for align/warp I say lol tank, D-scan in high sec when you have a local full of neuts...of course.

AS for your corp mates: What for?- when they could be mining drones and making 150m/hour easily and a lot more in an organised carrier/orca/salvager group? -you're not even making efforts to look silly, tsk tsk tsk...

Quote:
Fit your mid slots?

Damage control?



Please share with us the uberness of your Covetor, retriever, mackinaw and hulk fits that can survive that easily a brutix or cane gank, cheaper: tandem of Destroyers (well hopefully there are some silly gankers too)

You should get a nobel price for these obvious points, jesus how did humanity evolved without you?-much better before you show up to be honest. Lol

Quote:
Mine in a higher sec system if you want to nap?

Better yet, nap if you want to nap and turn off the computer?


Ho, sorry people didn't understood that in HIGH SEC there are safe zones, and always in high sec, non safe zones Shocked

[tount]
Now this stuff about turn off the computer is the single reasonable thing you wrote, but you should go further and invite players to completely stop mining by giving them reasonable arguments and explain the why they shouldn't do so.
But I guess it's out of reach for you if it takes more than a few words and lines that need ideas to be organised and have a purpose to an end.

[/tount]
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#52 - 2012-03-22 13:03:42 UTC
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

27.9K EHP before fleet bonuses. Stop dying

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#53 - 2012-03-22 13:05:09 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:

doing all that damage in just 8 days means the gaining of security status is just too damn easy.


The broken game mechanic is the lack of necessity to gain security status. The killboard in the OP has at least one day with a total of 8 pods killed. The character clearly did not need to rebuild security status to operate with impunity in a .5 system.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#54 - 2012-03-22 13:11:03 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:

doing all that damage in just 8 days means the gaining of security status is just too damn easy.


The broken game mechanic is the lack of necessity to gain security status. The killboard in the OP has at least one day with a total of 8 pods killed. The character clearly did not need to rebuild security status to operate with impunity in a .5 system.


There is also the Orca alt trick that I mentioned earlier. The game does allow you to traverse through any secure space as long as you're in a pod if you are an outlaw. As soon as you board a ship anywhere, even in a safespot away from somebody's grid, Concord and the faction Navy will come after you. In 0.5 space, the 13 seconds that it takes for Concord to arrive is more than enough for the Catalyst or Thrasher to get into warp and land on top of the target assuming the outlaw has a warp-in alt nearby.

Adapt or Die
Ricfire
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-03-22 13:18:17 UTC
So how does he suicide gank all those people over more than a week, and only lose 2 ships?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-03-22 13:20:05 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

27.9K EHP before fleet bonuses. Stop dying


That will survive a single/2 destroyer gank, in 0.5 a 1.2K dps gank brutix can put at least 7 shots on that hulk, it's far more that it can tank in that amount of time if you are not being seriously shield remote, with a Talos just doesn't change a crap if you were fit for cargo or yeld.
It's still a -100M ship (with T1 mods it's even cheaper) that annihilates your 200M T2 ship/fit just because it can and because there's nothing you can do about it, not even your uber fit.

You just made the salvage a little bit different little less profit, but I'm still able to erase you from the horizon with a ship costing - half of yours, and there's nothing you can do about it. How does it feel?

Now if you were showing me a fit surviving to a 200M gank setup I'd say, ok, but with this I'm still isk efficient by using a Tier 3 BC with T1 guns and faction ammo Lol
And my SS loss for this kill is same stuff: a few BS rats killed here'n there.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-03-22 13:22:19 UTC
Ricfire wrote:
So how does he suicide gank all those people over more than a week, and only lose 2 ships?


Because he forgot to say all the truth and actually he didn't ganked them even if he killed them?

Bad game mechanics are bad Lol
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-03-22 14:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
Ricfire wrote:
So how does he suicide gank all those people over more than a week, and only lose 2 ships?


His victims never aggressed him - no killboard counts losses to only NPCs.

The main thing you need to survive a single destroyer gank is a damage control.

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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#59 - 2012-03-22 14:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ana Vyr
sYnc Vir wrote:
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

27.9K EHP before fleet bonuses. Stop dying



Yeah that's a good fit. My "mining in dangerous territory" Hulk is fit like that. You can cycle the lasers once before you have to dock....I'm exaggerating, I think you can get in 2 cycles with this fit.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#60 - 2012-03-22 15:49:28 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

27.9K EHP before fleet bonuses. Stop dying



Those Low Slot Mods are NOT going to help one whit if beset upon by a gang or Smarties.

May as well just leave the Mining Laser Upgrades in the Lows and go for the yield.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882