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For the record theres just 3 Miltia's
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Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#41 - 2012-03-21 17:21:11 UTC
So I know I haven't been in FW for a little while...but...

I have an idea...why don't a few GalMil corps, say SoTF and friends join CalMil? That way you can fight all the time against the powerful Galente faction and hone your pvp skills. I'm sure the Federation would understand, and the Caldari state will reward you with many Trolls in forums about being traitorous untrustworthy bastards!

Seriously guys, it's a game. If you think the teams are uneven, EVEN THEM UP. These are factions not political power blocks that you are forever tied to. I think maybe 3% of you are Role Players? If you're really in it for the PvP and the Galente are face pwning then switch sides until the CalMil pwn, when that happens, switch sides again.You've been in militia a long time you know how this BS works, both sides ***** to infinity and nothing gets done.

A I have suggested for years, I say ALL CalMil & GalMil corps should join the Sansha Nation, our true overlord is coming! Pray that he spares you briefly! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER!

P.S.
W00t Titan Kill! Nice work ::wink::
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#42 - 2012-03-21 17:22:33 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
So it's silly for people to demand a T3 gang to ship down to a T1 gang. Conversely, it's silly for a T3 gang to demand that a corp who can only fly T1 to ship up.


I don't think this is silly at all. I gladly shipped down to dessies when caldari were running minors in dessie gangs that actually wanted to fight.

If the high SP guys really just want to use their shiny ships, OK. But if the alternative is getting no fight, and the low SP/ISK guys can't possibly ship up, then that leaves only one option that results in pew: The high SP/ISK guys ship down.

Personally, I don't find frigates any less fun than battlecruisers or T3's when fighting a similarly sized target. (Yes, I live in my drake, but that's because you have a wider range of fights you can take on when roaming randomly. I would love it if I could morph my drake into a rifter on command when I find a lone dessie floating around etc.)
Nataliya Korovina
Black Light Industries
#43 - 2012-03-21 17:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nataliya Korovina
Posting in another "Shadows are a humble faction warfare corp" thread.

The greatest thing Shadows of the Federation manage is to convince others that they are the good guys whilst the rest of you run around shouting/emo'ing at each other.

Amusing really.

kudos on the Titan kill but seriously your starting to believe your own hype.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#44 - 2012-03-21 17:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Capitol One wrote:
And then you smack him for not fighting your drakes in Plex a,b,c and he smacks you for not fighting his [Insert pvp Fleet here], etc, etc, everyone smacking everyone right, left and center.


You are making a bold assumption that I would give this death threat approving r-tard a fight. You know what would happen afterwards? He would make a forum thread about it. Either about his glorious victory or caldari shamelessly blobbing him to kingdom come. Take your pick.

What he really seems to want is for me to undock in Nisuwa with an ibis and then let his royal highness shoot aforementioned Ibis.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#45 - 2012-03-21 17:53:39 UTC
Lol Damar here we go again - and he bites :)
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#46 - 2012-03-21 17:58:01 UTC
Last time i was in an AHAC gang i left it bored (yes, it was a caldari AHAC gang *gasps*) there wasn't internet spaceships in a similar sized gang to violence in the area so I left the fleet and went out roaming/plexing solo/in a small gang and found more stuffs to violence within a short time than I would have spending two hours in a blob.


Certain gallente FCs have killed my will to get in a big fleet to roam. I recall the time when caldari had a drake fleet out and ammon dei had a armor BS fleet with logi support in heyd/abune. We were sitting on the abune gate in oin (regional) for about an hour before we hear from the gallente FC that he doesnt want to jump into drakes on a regional gate when he had gaurdians (wtf?). So our FC obliges and moves back a jump to a non regional gate. We wait for what seemed like another hour when suddenly R&K happens to drop on the gallente fleet. Gallente run away from R&K, taking some losses, neither militia gets a fight. **** like this happens all the time back when caldari had big fleets. Most roams went like this -> Formup -> roam for two hours, find nothing to fight, get a gank here and there -> scout reports gallente are forming up -> we move towards gallente formup system -> spend massive amount of time on gate(s) waiting for gallente to form up, very bored, twidling thumbs -> gallente overblob and we either suicide fleet out of sheer boredom just to get a fight or are forced to retreat -> or alternatively, gallente just blueball.

It's the massive amount of time wasted just sitting on gates, waiting for 2:1 numbers or the perfect fleet comp that bore me to death. I don't like big fleets because of the massive buzzkill when you spend 2 hours roaming and find nothing to engage, or someone finally comes after your gang, but with something like 40-50 to your 20. I like gunnyt31 and chatgris fleets because they would rather leeroy a fleet and spend what precious time they have violencing internet spaceships than wait for the perfect engagement in their favor.



Anyhow that's just my take on it. Obviously caldari have other issues regarding SP and numbers to add to reasons why we don't "blob up" all the time.
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#47 - 2012-03-21 18:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Capitol One
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
And then you smack him for not fighting your drakes in Plex a,b,c and he smacks you for not fighting his [Insert pvp Fleet here], etc, etc, everyone smacking everyone right, left and center.


You are making a bold assumption that I would give this death threat approving r-tard a fight. You know what would happen afterwards? He would make a forum thread about it. Either about his glorious victory or caldari shamelessly blobbing him to kingdom come. Take your pick.

What he really seems to want is for me to undock in Nisuwa with an ibis and then let his royal highness shoot aforementioned Ibis.


TBH I can't comment on the "death threats", how serious they might have been or anything related to them, considering I know nothing about that business.
All I can really comment on is what I see and the opinions I form from that.

The point of my previous post was mostly to say that "Caldari like plex fights and small scale stuff and can't/don't want to engage in bigger fights. This makes Gallente pilots sad pandas, because they love all flavours of combat and want to hone their skills in all aspects of warfare"

Whether this is due to size of internet spaceship balls, lack of SP, lack of FCs or simply personal preference is all up for debate.

All I can say is that I think, and I stress this is simply my opinion, that if Caldari could bring out more diverse fleets and pew pew at whatever flavour of fleet the gallente bring out, then more happy panda for everyone.

Now, Damar, I know you have issues with certain gallente pilots, and this might not apply to you, but in general I think the Caldari Militia could only gain from having the ability to pew pew more.

Also, regarding what you said above about not giving him a fight because he'd make a forum post to either boast or whine about it...if you are getting fun out the the fight, why would you even care?

Those are my 2 isk.

-- Cap
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#48 - 2012-03-21 18:33:52 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
The point of my previous post was mostly to say that "Caldari like plex fights and small scale stuff and can't/don't want to engage in bigger fights. This makes Gallente pilots sad pandas, because they love all flavours of combat and want to hone their skills in all aspects of warfare"


You mean to say they want more lopsided ganks by titan bridging hellcat fleet to couple of drakes. If they want those bigger fleets, why dont they move to Amamake and they can shoot PL/Wbr until judgment day rather than whining about people not wanting to spend 2 hours forming fleet and another two hours for blueballs as Super Chair said.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#49 - 2012-03-21 19:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Deen Wispa wrote:
All the trolling aside, I have a more serious question . From what I can tell, individual Caldari corps can field decent fleets. The4, CSC, IGB, Piranha, Squids, Templis Dragonaor alliance to name a few. Is there any reason why more of these corps don't work together? Is there just too much bad blood? Egos?

My understanding of recent Gal/Cal FW history is that Wolfsbrigade was the top pvp corps for the squids. Practically every faction has a few corps that act as "anchors" for the militia and others tend to fall in line and rally with them. So when Wolf left to go Amarr, there was no one that could rally the troops? Is it possible that there isn't an anchoring corps that have diplomatic relations with the other mid tier corps to created a more united front?



If all the corps worked together then We could easily be tossing around decent sized BC gangs and likely BS as well. I think it's more along the lines of we don't really have active FC's for those kind of gangs or just don't want to run them, not that we can't actually field them. Running those kind of gangs in FW is a very fast way to burn yourself out as every time you log in you have 50 people chasing you and wanting you to serve them PVP on a platter.

I know I'm not going to run those kind of gangs as Iv'e seen far too many guys get burnt out and stop logging in. Besides that you guys always primary me because you seem to love me so much..

There isn't really any bad blood that I'm aware of between corps, just a lot lot of individualism among them. We still work together doing stuff, like on the plexing front for example, but most of the active corps tend to also do their own thing. There are also a lot of Caldari corps spread around the map these days covering different areas, rather than having the bulk live in 1 or 2 systems like we used to. This also makes it harder to run larger gangs more often as it takes more effort to form them.

TBH, I really don't see many complaints out of Caldari pilots as to how things are now days, overall our Militia is now pretty active we are just doing it differently than the rest. Like it or not it seems to be working for us.

I'm sure many would like to run around in the larger gangs and go head to head more often, but honestly I think the bulk are just as happy with the small gang stuff we are currently doing. I think we see more complaints out of Gallente than we do in our own Militia about gangs.
Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-03-21 19:16:50 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
You seem to forget the militia you did not mention is the only one that has captured and held ALL hostile systems.

Achieve this and then you can talk about being some thing in FW.
Alot of corps quit after this because literally there was nothing left to conquer we had it all.
Gallente fleets were so badly slaughtered in around plexes in those days most of them refused to go anywhere near them.

Keep flying the pipe in your big shiny pirate bait fleets and talking the talk by all means, you were doing the same a few years ago and im sure nothing has changed today.




PVE is important.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-03-21 20:12:28 UTC
I don't know what all the complaints are about. Despite all its flaws, I think FW is still the most fun in Eve. So what if the Gallente cannot get big fleet fights out of the Caldari right now. Caldari are only lacking 3 main things, coordination, SP, and FCs. They will fix all three given enough time.

In the meantime, we can get all the pew we want. If I want solo/small gang I fit small and fight in plexs or solo roam. If I want something larger, you fight Shadow Cartel or BYD or some other pirate corps with weird namesI. Now that PL moved into Eha to kill us, they are an option too. This should also give the Caldari some time as PL appears to be setting up to give the Gallente a taste of their own medicine. Now we are going to be the underdogs fighting skirmish battles.

In addition to that, the Gallente in the US TZ only really have 3 or 4 "big fleet" FCs. If those few people aren't online, we sit around with our thumbs up our butts when somebody big comes a knocking. The only corps in FW that have evolved to the point where they can field whatever type of fleet they want in significant numbers (excluding supers) is SOTF and W-BR (and maybe SPDR). The rest of us still have lots of room for improvements and need to rely on our allies for numbers and/or FCs.

Also, @Mutnin you need to forum post with a different toon so its not obvious who your main pvp toon is.

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Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#52 - 2012-03-21 20:31:32 UTC
Damar posted on my 1 thread, My life....is complete. Mutnin what are you talking about? WT?!?! I dont see you in Amarr Mitlia....
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-03-22 00:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
/popcorn

Quote:
Posting in another "Shadows are a humble faction warfare corp" thread.

The greatest thing Shadows of the Federation manage is to convince others that they are the good guys whilst the rest of you run around shouting/emo'ing at each other.

Amusing really.

kudos on the Titan kill but seriously your starting to believe your own hype.


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Pulgy
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-03-22 00:18:58 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:

You are making a bold assumption that I would give this death threat approving r-tard a fight.


nom nom nom
i was just waiting for this, now i can go to bed.
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mental maverick
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#55 - 2012-03-22 05:19:25 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:

I have an idea...why don't a few GalMil join CalMil? That way you can fight all the time against the powerful Galente faction and hone your pvp skills. I'm sure the Federation would understand, and the Caldari state will reward you with many Trolls in forums about being traitorous untrustworthy bastards! :


Challenge accepted!

Disclaimer: Im shitfaced...
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-03-22 12:05:45 UTC
Why would pilots have to migrate to Caldari? Surely they can just plant some more test tubes in the soil, or whatever it is the godless creatures do.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#57 - 2012-03-22 13:43:20 UTC
Yay I want to farm your nubsShocked

mental maverick wrote:

Challenge accepted!

Disclaimer: Im shitfaced...

nom nom
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#58 - 2012-03-22 19:23:09 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Yay I want to farm your nubsShocked

mental maverick wrote:

Challenge accepted!

Disclaimer: Im shitfaced...




We all know this is the worse fear of the Gallente US TZ. As if we weren't already the biggest detriment.
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#59 - 2012-03-22 19:28:17 UTC
Lols, he WAS shitfaced last night, shrimpburgers...

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#60 - 2012-03-23 10:22:57 UTC
Annie Anomie wrote:


PVE is important.


I haven't plexed for a few days, but Bunker Bust that Pies showed up to, but of course no Gallente.

http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12723778


boring plexing spawned us a Tengu / Ishkur kill in a nice small gang fight.

http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12789710

Just 1 Hour later more PVE spawned us a Cynabal & Wolf from the same guy.

http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12789960