Crime & Punishment

What i find to be very funny, that everyone is whining that doing a gank and warp away and warp back and gank another hulk or whatever and then warps away and then gets killed by Concord is a bad thing to do.

If that's such an issue for CCP or others, then why the freaking hell can't CCP just disable the warp function on your ship after you have gone global after killing someone in high sec then?

Wouldn't that just prevent alot of players to abuse a mechanic that EVERYONE can do so easily then?

And, i can kill 20 ships in one boom if i want. Just fit up a smartbombing ship and warp into a big group of small ships. Does that means i have to die 20 times for that?

Miner nor ganker here but i do find it oddd/stupid that a discussion topic get's locked because there has not been a GM response yet and will be closed untill that time.


Just throw a mail/shout to a GM to comment on it and leave the thread going till he/she does reply if or if not an exploit , it's not like people are discussing how to RMT now ....

Except as I've stated repeatedly, it's possible to bounce around system for 15 minutes until the GCC runs out, at which point I'm perfectly safe - I can dock up, leave system, or just sit there - and CONCORD won't follow me or fire on my ship.

I've noticed that a lot of posts have said similar to what you've said. What I've shown to be possible is also considered by many to be an exploit. Now that you agree that it's an exploit, do you believe game mechanics should be changed to make this impossible?

I have to admit but even the 15minute evasion till Concord stops chasing you shouldn't be considered an exploit.

The way I see it is like in real life, somebody does something bad, he runs from the cops before they get there, they chase him arround but he is fast, he eventually gets away.

A way this could be possibly mended is the higher negative sec status you are, then that increases the multiplier that determins the concord response time. The worse you are the faster they show. (never an immediate response, but it could make hisec even more risky but still fun). This may sound like a punishment of the pirates, but I am saying mix this with the official response that this is not an exploit so while it will take some major skill to survive the full 15min, if you do then you would be one of the Elite lol.

On top of that, it could also slap on another bit of multiplier for each time you evade concord (which could also become some sort of medal/counter to brag about ingame) that would keep it from being too heavily used over a short period of time.. This could be a timed "wanted" sort of increase possible (say 1st offense = 1hr, 2nd = 3hrs, 3rd = 12 hrs, etc).

Just a thought from a NulSec/HighSec player. Spent a little time in Low but I need to train up an alt to have more fun in them their waters..

hmmm lots of theories out there cool...

Personally I don't see it as an exploit but that's just me. I can seethe point where some people might think it is and you all have valid arguments. Anyways should just file a petition as you would more then likely end up with a quicker response.

^THIS^

But in the same time you can just bump from belt to belt killing Hulks / Macs and finally warp to safe spot to your alt who will be sitting there in POD, hit eject and quickly enter with your alt to your precious Tornado saving the ship from Concordokken.

Is this will be an exploit?
Hell yes, but as far as no one knows - there will be no petition and no Banhammer in use.

Ganking needs to be revisited by CCP for sure. For me if you can save your ship from Concord you should do it and it shouldn't be an exploit if you only use game mechanic.
Exploits simply shouldn't be possible to do without hacking the game.

I have never been a ganker, and haven't mined mined for a long time. And yes posting with and alt, so have at me because of htat if you want. But here are my 2 cents.

I think the boomerang maneuver is not an exploit, for the most part. The part i think might be considered an explot is the part where your guns "magically" (as Herr put it) reload when you enter warp.

Now, why is this? Because CCP felt the need to ad a "cool" guns coming out of the ship graphics, so to implement this they have guns draw when you come out of warp, and be come back into the holster the second you enter warp.

The sad part is that CCP is much more likely to do something about the rest of the maneuver than about this (maybe because is the only thing they cand do while preserviung their cool graphic solution).

So the lesson, as always: CCP, don't mess with the game just to add cool new graphics (remember incarna anyone?).

Anyway, that's what i think

Edit.

Oh, and whoever says that if something is not supposed to be doable, then they should change the code so it is not doable anymore, you should be aware that in something so multi-layered i think the game code is after however many years eve has been successfully running, the law of unintended consequences is bound to apply.

Some misinformation here:

The last patch now prohibits GCC'd pirates from ejecting from your ship, or boarding a new one (in space) while GCC.
I believe this was done to prevent people from ejecting and allowing an Orca to scoop the gank-ship. (An obvious exploit)
The 'boarding' aspect was probably to kill off the tactic of wave-ganking with many Catalysts, boarding a new one after every gank, killing the target despite starting under a former GCC.

I get the feeling that CCP sometimes allows exploits to exist, because they are innocuous/rare and cause no real damage and would rather spend their time on other issue. The Orca exploit obviously became an issue, and was dealt with.

---As far as the other fellow goes, who is talking about 'warping until GCC expiry'...
I've tried it as well, on Tranquility.
Couple weeks ago, I popped four Mackinaws with a Tornado. Two of them were obviously AFK mining, because the pods just sat there next to the Orca. Standard practice was to immediately jump into a Thrasher (while GCC) and kill the pods. This could be accomplished within 2-3 minutes.

Unfortunately, one of the prebuilt Thrashers had no ammunition. So I just started warping around as an experiment - just to see how long I could avoid getting killed. Only could avoid death for about 2-3 minutes - maybe long 5-6 jumps - with no time between warps for theoretical shooting. This was in an 0.7 system.

Perhaps with a shuttle or interceptor built for quick alignment, in 0.5, and with preset circular bookmarks, you COULD do it. But a ganking Thrasher was caught relatively quickly, and a Tornado would be as well.

Where i live, i have noticed that every now and then they would enact some new traffic law. In the roll out process they would give "courtesy tickets" say for a week or so, but after that it is your responsability as a driver to know what is allowed and what is not. Now that is RL.

In eve when dealing with stuff like this, i imagine you have to think whether or not whoever is doing it is really unaware of something being an exploit, or is some smartass using an alt to take advantage of the exploit . If you can not discern between the two, then you have to deal with both possibilities equally, that is as if whoever is doing it on purpose. In RL that would be called being criminally negligent, i think.

Now, i have never found myself in any situation like that, but i would assume that the ban process you are talking about the first time offense will be punished hard enough to discourage abuse of faulty game mechanics, but not to hit unduly hard the casual offender, with succesive offenses escalating the ban.

Now, you can consider this fair or not, but i don't see any other way to deal with the issue, as changing the code just to make one little change might be, and probably is, not feasible. That is just Reality.

Now, if you have trouble dealing with reality, i would recommend you play another game instead of eve. I hear that in the game of religion disregard of reality is not frowned upon, and in some cases even encouraged.

Wait... wait...

You are saying that its not fair to be shot at by someone and having a one-sided fight, but warping in, alpha killing someone one-sided and warping out is fair?

On the irony! I'm drowning in ganker tears

Sorry mate, but that is the most stupid excuse I have read on this thread so far.

You are scared that someone will take your wreck or the gank ship's wreck? No one has every promised that you can recover your items. That is the reason why the ships are not insureable anymore.
You gank someone, you lose your ship, an orca with a tractor beam can steal your loot and salvage your wreck. C'est la vie.
No one promised your roses and gift cards for ganking someone in high sec. Its a risky business being a douchbag.