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Anaconda and Python mine BPO's missing

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#301 - 2012-04-19 14:42:23 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
I would also like to know about Capsules. They have been mentioned in the other thread, but no official comment was made.

I purchased 2 not long ago.. Transported them via an alt, and traded them to this toon. They were in my hanger. I logged off, back on, and they were gone.

Is this intentional, or just some glitch ? I've petitioned over it, but have got no response [ petition made 10 days ago ].

If no one should have these, then I should never have been able to trade for them, or transport them. If you have now decided that we shouldn't have them, then we should be compensated. Why should WE be punished for purchasing something in game, only to have you decide that people shouldn't have them anymore ?

They were introduced into the game by you, CCP. Intentional or not.
They have remained in the game for all this time, with no statement saying that they are illegitimate, and may be removed.
You have allowed them to remain in game, allowed people to buy and trade for them. Removing them after that with no regard for that is rather disturbing.. And would be a kick in the balls to everyone in this sandbox.

As I've said before, most of us who had capsules still have them. I still have mine in a station warehouse. Some were just auctioned off on the sell orders section of the forum. If you had them and you no longer do, you should petition it. Their removal didn't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with the database because they are still in the TQ database. I would petition it now if you are missing capsules. They can give them back to you now.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Singers
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#302 - 2012-04-20 02:52:05 UTC
any one having issues with locating thair elite mining drones !?

mine has also vaporated .......

and me mine bpos and the build bpos.
Justice Comes
Doomheim
#303 - 2012-04-20 11:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Justice Comes
I'm a little disturbed at how casually they were prepared to discard the extra blueprint data. If anyone researched those, that was still time they spent not researching something else. And it was put forth like it was no big deal that they would have lost that time. If you don't value every minute of time a player pays you to play this game then you are doing it wrong.

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#304 - 2012-04-20 11:56:43 UTC
Justice Comes wrote:
I'm a little disturbed at how casually they were prepared to discard the extra blueprint data. If anyone researched those, that was still time they spent not researching something else. And it was put forth like it was no big deal that they would have lost that time. If you don't value every minute of time a player pays you to play this game then you are doing it wrong.


the funny bit here is, considering they recovered the data for the mimir prints, they also have access to the data of the mine prints.

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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#305 - 2012-04-20 17:51:04 UTC
Justice Comes wrote:
I'm a little disturbed at how casually they were prepared to discard the extra blueprint data. If anyone researched those, that was still time they spent not researching something else. And it was put forth like it was no big deal that they would have lost that time. If you don't value every minute of time a player pays you to play this game then you are doing it wrong.

And still waiting to hear if we'll get mine BPCs back...
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2012-04-20 19:37:44 UTC
Gogela wrote:
As I've said before, most of us who had capsules still have them. I still have mine in a station warehouse. Some were just auctioned off on the sell orders section of the forum. If you had them and you no longer do, you should petition it. Their removal didn't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with the database because they are still in the TQ database. I would petition it now if you are missing capsules. They can give them back to you now.

I've been involved in a Back and Forth since last night with the GM's over my Capsules.

I won't post any information about it at this time, but suffice it to say, it's apparently not as cut and dry as them just restoring them.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#307 - 2012-04-20 19:41:05 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Gogela wrote:
As I've said before, most of us who had capsules still have them. I still have mine in a station warehouse. Some were just auctioned off on the sell orders section of the forum. If you had them and you no longer do, you should petition it. Their removal didn't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with the database because they are still in the TQ database. I would petition it now if you are missing capsules. They can give them back to you now.

I've been involved in a Back and Forth since last night with the GM's over my Capsules.

I won't post any information about it at this time, but suffice it to say, it's apparently not as cut and dry as them just restoring them.

Man... what the hell is the problem CCP?

I'd definitely be interested in hearing how this turns out for you, and I'm sure a lot of other people would be too. I hope you keep us updated Sentinel Smith!

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Justice Comes
Doomheim
#308 - 2012-04-21 01:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Justice Comes
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Gogela wrote:
As I've said before, most of us who had capsules still have them. I still have mine in a station warehouse. Some were just auctioned off on the sell orders section of the forum. If you had them and you no longer do, you should petition it. Their removal didn't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with the database because they are still in the TQ database. I would petition it now if you are missing capsules. They can give them back to you now.

I've been involved in a Back and Forth since last night with the GM's over my Capsules.

I won't post any information about it at this time, but suffice it to say, it's apparently not as cut and dry as them just restoring them.


Well if they removed the items from the database table that holds all possible items, then they can't just give you the item back (by adding corresponding records to the player inventory table). They first have to re-add it to the former. You just need someone in charge to decide that that will happen :)

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#309 - 2012-04-21 01:56:41 UTC
The items in question are still in the Database, and many people still have them in their inventory.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#310 - 2012-04-21 10:56:30 UTC
Capsules are deleted by a game mechanic, not by CCP.

Switching ships while there are capsules in your ship hangar will DELETE the capsules.

If you want to keep your capsules (that is, the ones you already have). keep them in a container, ship, or corp hangar. The game won't automatically delete them there.

Please make a different thread about the capsules if you must, as they are not really relevant to this thread, which is about the items CCP deleted from the item definitions table itself.

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Trelaine
Sabotage Incorporated
#311 - 2012-04-22 05:34:07 UTC
I just found out about this thread, I was having a heart attack thinking I'd lost my Mine bpo's.. and I just checked, I still have my "pods", which is nice, a set of them is better than none I guess. oh well, guess we'll just have to wait.

now, who has cobra and anaconda bpo's that're getting returned that I can buy a 2 run bpc (or a 1 run bpc and an actual mine) of each off?
Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#312 - 2012-04-22 16:58:28 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

No. No. No and no.

No one threatened with dropping subscription. Trust me. You can bet that Entity loves this game infinitely more than how much you love this game.

Entity did not acquire those items through illegitimate means. Before Entity and others corrected CCP Greyscale, CCP Greyscale initially assumed that most of the items that he deleted were acquired through illegitimate means. Now that he is corrected with proper fact, he decided to re-issue several of the items back to the players' hands.

What does this tell us? It tells us that CCP Greyscale did not place much care into checking facts and it is only because players demanded appropriate actions and gave CCP Greyscale some historical lessons and fact check, that he relented and decided to hand back the items.

Also if you refer to the property-right laws (at least in the U.S.), if a buyer makes purchase of an item acquired of illegitimate means, but without knowing the fact of its origin, the transfer is valid and the buyer gains ownership over the item. Most likely, Entity saw an item he hasn't seen (yes, capital implant) on the market and decided to buy it. If CCP decides to remove the item out of the database, then CCP should provide an appropriate compensation to Entity for the transaction costs and ISK he used to buy the implants.

I initially did not respond to your nonsensical remark about collectors trying to scam other players because such logic is almost @ a borderline-stupidity. I think you need a small lesson on basic business and economics before spitting out your nonsensical ramblings all over the wall.


Actually, no in the US if you buy goods that turn out to be not legitimately owned by the seller, you don't become the owner and thus can't legitimately sell them. So if something was initially stolen from its owner, no matter how many hands it passes thru and even if many of those don't know it was stolen, none of them own it, and when its true status is revealed, it reverts to its actual owner. And the person in possession of it is out of luck unless he can track the transaction backwards. The authorities will not reimburse him for his costs in purchasing the illicit item.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#313 - 2012-04-22 16:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Hi,

Yes, this happened because of a thing that I did. We're looking at our options right now, but there are some other things I have to sort out first today. We'll get back to you!

-Greyscale

PS My player account owned both blueprints, I understand your pain.


All mine are gone too, I will open a petition until its replaced.


Seems now there is no reason to INVEST in COLLECATABLES in EVe.

There goes another market and reason to spend big isk on stuff.
Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#314 - 2012-04-22 17:03:21 UTC
Jace Errata wrote:
I don't own any mines or mine BPs, but it'd be pretty sad if they're all gone forever, and it's not just a temporary error. :|



Fromw what CCP has said, it was not their intent to get rid of mines and their BPs, that was accidential. The intent was to eliminate items that were never intended to be in the game at all but they ended up with a small number of false positives.
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2012-04-22 17:04:20 UTC
Ya this isn't the real world.. In the real world the police don't have access to a DB, and would be unable to act on it at any time..Also in the real wold the police aren't the original owner/producer, and the bank, and incharge of monitoring all transactions, etc.

The fact that they ignored it this long, and allowed the items to be sold/exchanged publicly means they didn't have an issue with it. Coming back after the fact and saying WAIT.. no.. too late.

Additionally, as Entity said, several of these items were Legitimate drops/could be got through legitimate means which have just never been properly documented, or where the people who knew have left the company/forgot.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#316 - 2012-04-22 17:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Marrano Cardosa wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
I don't own any mines or mine BPs, but it'd be pretty sad if they're all gone forever, and it's not just a temporary error. :|



Fromw what CCP has said, it was not their intent to get rid of mines and their BPs, that was accidential. The intent was to eliminate items that were never intended to be in the game at all but they ended up with a small number of false positives.



Must we keep an external audit of all our stuff because of CCP's incompetence?

How do we know if we get back ALL the stuff they stole?

Should we all open petitions to make sure we get them? I opened one.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#317 - 2012-04-22 17:05:58 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
The items in question are still in the Database, and many people still have them in their inventory.



Mine (ehm) arnt!
Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#318 - 2012-04-22 17:10:44 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Marrano Cardosa wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
I don't own any mines or mine BPs, but it'd be pretty sad if they're all gone forever, and it's not just a temporary error. :|



Fromw what CCP has said, it was not their intent to get rid of mines and their BPs, that was accidential. The intent was to eliminate items that were never intended to be in the game at all but they ended up with a small number of false positives.



Must we keep an external audit of all our stuff because of CCP's incompetence?

How do we know if we get back ALL the stuff they stole?

Should we all open petitions to make sure we get them? I opened one.



Since the items missing are not in the DB (and thus essentially DO NOT EXIST) filing a petition will do nothing but annoy a GM who can do nothing to address the situation. So no, you shouldn't open a petition. Currently CCP has said they will be returned a couple of days after the next release.

They were cleaing up the DB by removing items that were never in game, while deleting in excess of 1000 items that weren't ever in game, they got false positive tests on about 13 (there is some dispute over 1 or 2 items).
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#319 - 2012-04-22 17:13:06 UTC
Marrano Cardosa wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Marrano Cardosa wrote:
Jace Errata wrote:
I don't own any mines or mine BPs, but it'd be pretty sad if they're all gone forever, and it's not just a temporary error. :|



Fromw what CCP has said, it was not their intent to get rid of mines and their BPs, that was accidential. The intent was to eliminate items that were never intended to be in the game at all but they ended up with a small number of false positives.



Must we keep an external audit of all our stuff because of CCP's incompetence?

How do we know if we get back ALL the stuff they stole?

Should we all open petitions to make sure we get them? I opened one.



Since the items missing are not in the DB (and thus essentially DO NOT EXIST) filing a petition will do nothing but annoy a GM who can do nothing to address the situation. So no, you shouldn't open a petition. Currently CCP has said they will be returned a couple of days after the next release.

They were cleaing up the DB by removing items that were never in game, while deleting in excess of 1000 items that weren't ever in game, they got false positive tests on about 13 (there is some dispute over 1 or 2 items).



is there a way to export all Assets (including in station cans) for auditing purposes?

It seems we need this feature now too, given CCP's history of "oops".
Ibeau Renoir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#320 - 2012-04-22 19:01:40 UTC
Miilla wrote:
is there a way to export all Assets (including in station cans) for auditing purposes?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_API_Character_Asset_List

DotLAN has an asset list tool, or you can roll your own using this API call.

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