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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#1721 - 2012-03-14 18:32:57 UTC
Why bother. Vote with your vallets.
CynoNet Two
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#1722 - 2012-03-14 18:34:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.
It is. That's why the titans are getting adjusted (not just now with the change presented in this thread, but further in the near future as well): because the risk is minimal and the reward is quite large.

I'd love to see some new stats from mister Turbefield showing:

The average ratio of Drakes that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
The average ratio of Maelstroms that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
The average ratio of Dreads/Carriers that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
The average ratio of Titans that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1723 - 2012-03-14 18:34:52 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Why bother. Vote with your vallets.


I agree. If you disagree with this nerf, unsub now!

and don't come back

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1724 - 2012-03-14 18:36:51 UTC
The critical change here is simple: Titans cannot kill normal interdictors as easily. These interdictors now have plenty of time to warp in, burn, drop bubble, burn out, and cloak/warp. Before, they would get targeted on the burn in, and die on the burn out if they did manage to bubble.

There is a simple solution to this, a support fleet. Field a support fleet to deal with the dictors, your titans deal with the hictors still, and everything is fine. But to have 30 dudes in titans to do everything under the sun just by themselves is a game without balance. Tier 3's can easily deal with dictors (assuming they don't get hit by a bomb or two), or sniper hacs if you're bad at being aligned.
Juul Kamikazaa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1725 - 2012-03-14 18:39:04 UTC
I'm a complete failure IRL, with insufferably low physical strength and endurance to boot. I play EVE to feel good about myself, and in order to do that I NEED to sit in a hulking ship and blast countless smaller ships with impunity! WHY U NERF MY CONFIDENCE CCP?! A-bloo-bloo-bloo-bloo
Ser Berus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1726 - 2012-03-14 18:39:06 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
The critical change here is simple: Titans cannot kill normal interdictors as easily. These interdictors now have plenty of time to warp in, burn, drop bubble, burn out, and cloak/warp. Before, they would get targeted on the burn in, and die on the burn out if they did manage to bubble.

There is a simple solution to this, a support fleet. Field a support fleet to deal with the dictors, your titans deal with the hictors still, and everything is fine. But to have 30 dudes in titans to do everything under the sun just by themselves is a game without balance. Tier 3's can easily deal with dictors (assuming they don't get hit by a bomb or two), or sniper hacs if you're bad at being aligned.



No no you don't understand, if I spend all this isk on a titan it magically turns eve into a single player game


~~endgame~~
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1727 - 2012-03-14 18:39:28 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Why bother. Vote with your vallets.


The sort of person who gorges themselves on imbalance, congratulates themselves for it, and then blames everyone around them for their own misbehavior isn't someone I will miss when they ragequit in a tantrum.

Toodles.

And remember - this is your own fault.

~hi~
Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1728 - 2012-03-14 18:39:31 UTC
Sir Paul McCartney said it best:

Quote:
When you were young and your heart was an open skillbook
You used to say Titans For The Win
(You know you did, you know you, you know did)
But in this ever changing game we live in,
Makes you log in your Titan and cry

Time To Unsub and Don't Fly
(Unsub and Don't Fly)
Unsub and Don't Fly
(Unsub and Don't Fly)

What does it matter to ya
When you got sub caps that will do
You gotta fly'em well
Fighting fair is hell

Time To Unsub and Don't Fly
(Unsub and Don't Fly)
Unsub and Don't Fly
(Unsub and Don't Fly)

You used to say Titans For The Win
(You know you did, you know you, you know did)
But in this ever changing game we live,
Makes you log in your Titan and cry


You have only yourselves to blame. Squeaky wheels get the grease, and you did a lot of squeaking by showing a Titan could kill a destroyer without support. Howitzers are not meant for killing butterflies and had you not done it so often CCP would not be forced to ask the question "Just how broken are Titans?" Really isn't dropping 24 titans to clear a field full of sup cabs just intellectually lazy? I thought elite PVP meant you understood how to vary up fleet roles to counter a multiple threat encounter? Lets be honest elite PVP means RMTing for an endgame toy that was never meant to be an automatic trump card to any fleet engagement. It could have been, but again you were way to obvious with it and CCP had to fix such a broken game mechanic. Thanks for your beta Titan testing efforts!
Isonda
suspended animations DOT
#1729 - 2012-03-14 18:39:49 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
asdf ghyj wrote:
Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan

MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans

OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR
And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ??????
Think before do wrong changes


I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy.

The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.

They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.

Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.
FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1730 - 2012-03-14 18:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: FeLiZk
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:


Every time we drop them we risk
-Counter drop (trap)
-One bumped titan (thanks for that one CCP)
-Disconnect

And yes we risk all of them, it only takes one very bad day and we lose them all in one go ask RA.

You might not think this, but there are times that we don't use them because the risks involved.





[Tell] me more about dropping a blob of titans with supercarrier support onto a fleet of battlecruisers. Something about risk/reward I believe you were saying.


So we risk 20 titan, just by fielding them. The drakes are not the issue here we escalated the fight, your move. Just so far you are not taking that move NC did and we lost titan's I think as many as they did.

So you would have only one way to escalate a fight, and that is more people in drakes?
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#1731 - 2012-03-14 18:40:07 UTC
CynoNet Two wrote:
Tippia wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.
It is. That's why the titans are getting adjusted (not just now with the change presented in this thread, but further in the near future as well): because the risk is minimal and the reward is quite large.

I'd love to see some new stats from mister Turbefield showing:

The average ratio of Drakes that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
The average ratio of Maelstroms that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
The average ratio of Dreads/Carriers that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.
The average ratio of Titans that die, compared to the number that are built in one month.


I will literally fellate anyone who can accurately quantify this.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1732 - 2012-03-14 18:40:14 UTC
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1733 - 2012-03-14 18:41:14 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
So we risk 20 titan, just by fielding them.


Your post fell apart here.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1734 - 2012-03-14 18:42:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
So we risk 20 titan, just by fielding them.


Your post fell apart here.


Tell me why, say it was PL we where against, they use their caps. Would we risk them then ?
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1735 - 2012-03-14 18:42:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Why bother. Vote with your vallets.


I agree. If you disagree with this nerf, unsub now!

and don't come back


can I haz your titan when you unsub?

who is your main, and what does he do?
Ser Berus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1736 - 2012-03-14 18:43:20 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:


Every time we drop them we risk
-Counter drop (trap)
-One bumped titan (thanks for that one CCP)
-Disconnect

And yes we risk all of them, it only takes one very bad day and we lose them all in one go ask RA.

You might not think this, but there are times that we don't use them because the risks involved.





[Tell] me more about dropping a blob of titans with supercarrier support onto a fleet of battlecruisers. Something about risk/reward I believe you were saying.


So we risk 20 titan, just by fielding them. The drakes are not the issue here we escalated the fight, your move. Just so far you are not taking that move NC did and we lost titan's I think as many as they did.

So you would have only one way to escalate a fight, and that is more people in drakes?



a bloo bloo bloo we actually have to field a balanced fleet
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1737 - 2012-03-14 18:43:27 UTC
The Economist wrote:
(except for those wierdos who genuinely enjoy doing nothing but bridging).

Wow, just wow.

Our weirdos like doing this because it's power projection. They're moving hundreds of pilots over short distance to beat our enemies down. Well worth the investment.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#1738 - 2012-03-14 18:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
The Mittani wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Why bother. Vote with your vallets.


The sort of person who gorges themselves on imbalance, congratulates themselves for it, and then blames everyone around them for their own misbehavior isn't someone I will miss when they ragequit in a tantrum.

Toodles.

And remember - this is your own fault.


For your information. I have posted repeatedly on this forums that the titan blob needs a fix. What I dont like is HOW it is fixed.
Quest Liem
Doomheim
#1739 - 2012-03-14 18:44:06 UTC
I believe in it is a definite imbalance if one group can field more people then the other. We play this game to be fair and have fun, how fun is it to be outnumbered 50 to 1? Not very, in the best interest of this game CCP should come up with a way to limit the number of combatants in a signal system. I mean we do need to be fair and give someone s sporting chance.
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#1740 - 2012-03-14 18:44:56 UTC
FeLiZk wrote:
Andski wrote:
FeLiZk wrote:
So we risk 20 titan, just by fielding them.


Your post fell apart here.


Tell me why, say it was PL we where against, they use their caps. Would we risk them then ?



So what youre saying is the only real risk to your big ass wad-o-titans is an equally ******** big ass wad-o-titans?

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.