Ships & Modules

So I should start out by saying I'm not a titan pilot, though it has always been my wish to one day get into a super and then a titan. With that being said, it is called a "Super Carrier" and as CCP Grayscale mentioned earlier refuting another post, CARRIERS are supposed to be the ones that kill the battleships not the dreads, supers or titans. If you look at the name "Super Carrier" It has carrier in it, and means that they should be able to do both intended purposes for both a carrier and a super, which is kill battleships and destroy structures.

After the last Super Carrier Nerf, supers became no more than giant logistics and structure grinders that people had wasted millions of SP and months of training into Drone skills to fly properly, but it was an accepted change as now supers are used as the logistics for the Titans who can kill alpha fleets that would otherwise be to strong. Now Super carriers are one role either grind structures or kill battleships (ineffectively) and titans will have one role to grind structures. Super carriers need a larger drone bay if they are going to have to take on both roles, which previously the Titans could have played, but that was also done away with by the same CSMs because they were losing BCs to supers. Which is stupid and a waste of SP and isk for Titan and Super pilots as they trained Guns/Drones and wasted isk on those skill books.

With the last nerf all supers saw new roles as they could no longer be fielded alone and they still cant be. Without a support fleet a super/titan fleet alone can not live as a few well piloted dictors can keep them locked down for any length of time and have reinforcements brought in, so it is the fact people still need a support fleet and that's why the changes to Super Carriers were made.

If you are going to take an absolute bat to all Supers/Titans and continue in doing so, some sort of compensation should be given to those who fly them as of now, and in the future. In addition prices should be lowered and build time as well for both titans and supers to make them a more viable weapon for all alliances/corporations which will in turn result in more being fielded, more mixed fights (Capitals and Sub caps), and will result in more destruction of all types of ships. If a Dread is to kill structures and costs 2b, and a Super is to kill dreads and Capitals should be about 5b, and a Titan to kill Capitals and Structures is about a combination of the two, but we'll say 10-15b...
In terms of prices a frigate costs 200k > Cruiser 3m > BC 35m > BS 155m > Carrier 1.2b > Dread 2b > Super 20b > Titan 105b
For the prices Supers/Titans have the same roles as Carrier/Dread so they should be MUCH closer in price.

Lastly a point about this thread is Goons you keep crapping in it, and have yet to make a valid point besides posting a few killboards of you getting owned because you wouldn't field your capitals or supers. The ONLY CSMs that have posted in this thread have also been Goons and 90% of people in this thread FOR the changes are goons as well. The same CSMs that changed Supers to be useless against sup caps (when carriers should be useful according to CCP Grayscale) are also the same ones now changing titans, for the same reason, they lose.

As a general note an adjustment that benefits a single entity over others isn't probably a "balancing" adjustment at all.

Why only Goonswarm members are gloating happy about this change, and everyone else in null seems to be butthurt as hell?

Maybe needs some more thinking, imo, just by looking at the reactions.



Why should 1600 be the magic win button?

It would be cool to play a game where the better pilots win, you know, a bit like it is in small gang combat.

i have a hangover so yeah i kinda missed it

Granted, it would be nice of capital ships had thermal exhaust vents, but they've talked about adding that for longer than they've talked about WiS, so good luck…

I'd say it's more indicative of the current state of nullsec - it's dominated by three powerblocs. Two of them, the CFC and Awagon, despise tracking titans. The other loves them.

im not trolling Vile rat.

you made a choice to invest your income and time in a specific fleet doctrine, one that vee invented to counter armor hacs and abandons. It was the wrong choice.

Had you been able to field 300 or more dreads there is no FC in his right mind who would have opposed you with titans. Those same dreads can work unsieged like titans and do the same volly damage at the same range as maelstroms.

but this discussion is an academic one as CCP is playing favorites, your CEO has said as much.

You can read reight? Made it bold for you...

A change is needed indeed, but this is as i said, an half arsed attempt to stagger your whining until they manage to think out a new function for them. And we all know CCPs ability to fix things properly. My alliances members get themselves into titans by working for it. Your alliance dont encourage your members to be competitive in anything else than drakes and maelstroms. You have the funds, and ability to reimburse losses, if you just used them. Instead you turn to the devs and cry.

Fyi, you dont need to be so highskilled in order to fly a titan. Training for maelstroms and drakes goes pretty fast. How about training a second account for supercaps, or even use an alt on same account. After all you have "bittervets" in goons as well, and since your recruiting everyone and their mother you should be able to muster a decent supportfleet along with supercaps.

we actually do reimburse titans and supercarriers, oops

get better spies bro, should be easy since we recruit everyone and their mother right???

Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums

we got a badass over here